User: stallrocket
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• Re: stay with the hate, cons

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 5, 2008     Views: 5 Replies: 1
  Topic: stay with the hate, cons     
  Last response by amfh on November 5, 2008

• Re: Obama asks Joe the Plumber to fix a leak

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 5, 2008     Views: 12 Replies: 0
  Topic: Obama asks Joe the Plumber to fix a leak     
  Last response by stallrocket on November 5, 2008

• Re: Congratulations mass media!

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 5, 2008     Views: 8 Replies: 1
  Topic: Congratulati­ons mass media!     
  Last response by Demcon on November 5, 2008

• Re: Congrats Pres. Elect Obama!!

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 4, 2008     Views: 7 Replies: 0
  Topic: Congrats Pres. Elect Obama!!     
  Last response by NorCal on November 5, 2008

• Damn This Is The Greatest Country On Earth

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 5, 2008     Views: 30 Replies: 1
  Topic: Damn This Is The Greatest Country On Earth     
  Last response by stallrocket on November 5, 2008

• Re: Yes, a magnificent night!

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 5, 2008     Views: 9 Replies: 0
  Topic: Damn This Is The Greatest Country On Earth     
  Last response by stallrocket on November 5, 2008

• Re: Once Obama's blackness wares off...

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 5, 2008     Views: 6 Replies: 1
  Topic: Once Obama's blackness wares off...     
  Last response by WorldlyMrB on November 5, 2008

• Re: Fill Up Your Tanks, People!

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 4, 2008     Views: 6 Replies: 1
  Topic: Fill Up Your Tanks, People!     Rating: +2/-2
  Last response by EJ_MALIBU on November 4, 2008

• Re: Obama cannot make a decision..

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 4, 2008     Views: 6 Replies: 1
  Topic: Obama cannot make a decision..     Rating: -4
  Last response by EJ_MALIBU on November 4, 2008

• Re: Sounds very much as if

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 3, 2008     Views: 7 Replies: 1
  Topic: Finally....s­omeone figured it out     Rating: -2
  Last response by Minnmule on November 4, 2008

• Re: How can Stevens say he was never convicted of anything?

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 3, 2008     Views: 7 Replies: 1
  Topic: How can Stevens say he was never convicted of anything?     
  Last response by Cotton2226 on November 4, 2008

• Re: Cutting Profits - How it's done Obama style.

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 3, 2008     Views: 13 Replies: 0
  Topic: Cutting Profits - How it's done Obama style.     Rating: -2
  Last response by stallrocket on November 3, 2008

• Re: How could anyone in their "right" mind, vote for Mac & Sarah

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on November 3, 2008     Views: 6 Replies: 1
  Topic: How could anyone in their "right"­ mind, vote for Mac & Sarah     
  Last response by Cotton2226 on November 3, 2008

• McCain's latest Endorsements

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 31, 2008     Views: 39 Replies: 1
  Topic: McCain's latest Endorsements     
  Last response by stallrocket on October 31, 2008

• Re: McCain's latest Endorsements

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 31, 2008     Views: 8 Replies: 0
  Topic: McCain's latest Endorsements     
  Last response by stallrocket on October 31, 2008

• Re: Where are the moderates?

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 31, 2008     Views: 11 Replies: 0
  Topic: Where are the moderates?     
  Last response by volition on October 31, 2008

• Re: Profiles in Countermoonbattery: Joe Perry

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 31, 2008     Views: 11 Replies: 1
  Topic: Profiles in Countermoonb­attery: Joe Perry     Rating: -1
  Last response by itsmofeen on October 31, 2008

• Re: Joe, Joe, Joe, uh, where is Joe ?

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 31, 2008     Views: 15 Replies: 0
  Topic: Joe, Joe, Joe, uh, where is Joe ?     
  Last response by Cotton2226 on October 31, 2008

• Re: Obama not ready

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 30, 2008     Views: 8 Replies: 0
  Topic: Obama not ready     Rating: -1
  Last response by Trebuchet on October 30, 2008

• Re: Be careful not to make too much money under Obama

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 30, 2008     Views: 9 Replies: 0
  Topic: Be careful not to make too much money under Obama     Rating: -1
  Last response by Turbotale on October 30, 2008

• Re: What people do when caught...or what a Dem does

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 30, 2008     Views: 16 Replies: 0
  Topic: What people do when caught...or what a Dem does     Rating: -1
  Last response by stallrocket on October 30, 2008

• Re: Is the Palin-McCain ticket the worse Repub ticket ever?

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 30, 2008     Views: 9 Replies: 0
  Topic: Is the Palin-McCain ticket the worse Repub ticket ever?     
  Last response by ctcadguy on October 30, 2008

• Can't You Picture the Dumbest Governor In America Nodding

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 30, 2008     Views: 25 Replies: 1
  Topic: Can't You Picture the Dumbest Governor In America Nodding     
  Last response by Turbotale on October 30, 2008

• Re: Do you think Sarah Palin will

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 30, 2008     Views: 9 Replies: 0
  Topic: Do you think Sarah Palin will     Rating: -1
  Last response by jammer on October 30, 2008

• Still Nothing Good To Say About McCain

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 30, 2008     Views: 23 Replies: 0
  Topic: Still Nothing Good To Say About McCain     
  Last response by stallrocket on October 30, 2008

• Re: George's & Mac's spreading the wealth philosophy,

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 30, 2008     Views: 10 Replies: 0
  Topic: George's & Mac's spreading the wealth philosophy,     
  Last response by TomFitz on October 30, 2008

• Re: Hi. Im new here

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 29, 2008     Views: 11 Replies: 2
  Topic: Hi. Im new here     
  Last response by Trebuchet on October 30, 2008

• Re: Blacks Slighted Again

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 29, 2008     Views: 14 Replies: 0
  Topic: Blacks Slighted Again     Rating: -1
  Last response by stallrocket on October 29, 2008

• Re: Who said this?

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 29, 2008     Views: 12 Replies: 1
  Topic: Who said this?     Rating: -1
  Last response by Trebuchet on October 29, 2008

• Re: The coming tax increase.

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 29, 2008     Views: 9 Replies: 0
  Topic: The coming tax increase.     Rating: -1
  Last response by julieboomer on October 29, 2008

• Re: Lake County Indiana - Voter Fraud against Hillary and Mccain

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 29, 2008     Views: 9 Replies: 1
  Topic: Lake County Indiana - Voter Fraud against Hillary and Mccain     Rating: -1
  Last response by itsmofeen on October 29, 2008

• Re: Lake County Indiana - Voter Fraud against Hillary and Mccain

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 29, 2008     Views: 10 Replies: 1
  Topic: Lake County Indiana - Voter Fraud against Hillary and Mccain     Rating: -1
  Last response by itsmofeen on October 29, 2008

• Re: Women 3 O'Biden 0

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 29, 2008     Views: 13 Replies: 1
  Topic: Women 3 O'Biden 0     Rating: -1
  Last response by elemenop2 on October 29, 2008

• Re: Sarkozy: Obama is immature

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 29, 2008     Views: 8 Replies: 2
  Topic: Sarkozy: Obama is immature     
  Last response by TomFitz on October 29, 2008

• Re: Joe plumber finally endorses McCain

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 29, 2008     Views: 9 Replies: 0
  Topic: Joe plumber finally endorses McCain     
  Last response by Cotton2226 on October 29, 2008

• Re: Visit Ghetto Like Obama's South Chicago Before Election Day

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 29, 2008     Views: 15 Replies: 0
  Topic: Visit Ghetto Like Obama's South Chicago Before Election Day     Rating: -1
  Last response by PaulB on October 29, 2008

• Re: Some of these gun nuts are absolutely crazy.

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 28, 2008     Views: 19 Replies: 0
  Topic: Some of these gun nuts are absolutely crazy.     
  Last response by SmartLady on October 29, 2008

• Re: Colin Powell: A Great Judge of Character

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 28, 2008     Views: 12 Replies: 0
  Topic: Colin Powell: A Great Judge of Character     Rating: +1/-1
  Last response by NCmusicman on October 28, 2008

• Re: CNN just ran the entire speeches of Palin & McCain

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 28, 2008     Views: 11 Replies: 1
  Topic: CNN just ran the entire speeches of Palin & McCain     Rating: -1
  Last response by jammer on October 28, 2008

• Re: Liberals Bash Palin About Everything.

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 24, 2008     Views: 15 Replies: 0
  Topic: Liberals Bash Palin About Everything.     Rating: -2
  Last response by jammer on October 24, 2008

• Abortion Clinic Bombers Aren't Terrorists

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 24, 2008     Views: 31 Replies: 4
  Topic: Abortion Clinic Bombers Aren't Terrorists     
  Last response by Trebuchet on October 24, 2008

• Re: Working class? Palin is a complete phoney!

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 22, 2008     Views: 11 Replies: 2
  Topic: Working class? Palin is a complete phoney!     
  Last response by elemenop2 on October 22, 2008

• Re: Hey BO, What if Rich Put Their $$ in Tax-Free Accts Like U?

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 22, 2008     Views: 12 Replies: 0
  Topic: Hey BO, What if Rich Put Their $$ in Tax-Free Accts Like U?     Rating: -3
  Last response by nelson46 on October 22, 2008

• Re: THE DNC AND JOE THE PLUMBER

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 16, 2008     Views: 26 Replies: 0
  Topic: THE DNC AND JOE THE PLUMBER     Rating: +3/-2
  Last response by RANGER 82 on October 16, 2008

• Re: View of the debate

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 16, 2008     Views: 19 Replies: 0
  Topic: View of the debate     Rating: -1
  Last response by ctcadguy on October 16, 2008

• Lt. Cmdr. Philip Francis Qeeg

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 16, 2008     Views: 32 Replies: 1
  Topic: Lt. Cmdr. Philip Francis Qeeg     
  Last response by TomFitz on October 16, 2008

• Re: McCain is White...Obama is Black...There You Have the Debate

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 15, 2008     Views: 15 Replies: 0
  Topic: McCain is White...Obam­a is Black...Ther­e You Have the Debate     
  Last response by stallrocket on October 15, 2008

• Re: McCain's plan has been announced, and....

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 14, 2008     Views: 17 Replies: 0
  Topic: McCain's plan has been announced, and....     
  Last response by Esox88 on October 14, 2008

• Re: Isn't it possible...

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 10, 2008     Views: 52 Replies: 1
  Topic: Isn't it possible...     
  Last response by poncedeleon on October 10, 2008

• Re: Repug Smear Campaign...A Complete Failure....LOL

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 10, 2008     Views: 36 Replies: 0
  Topic: Repug Smear Campaign...A Complete Failure....L­OL     
  Last response by stallrocket on October 10, 2008

• Re: Crushing Taxes Going to Welfare and Illegal Aliens...

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 10, 2008     Views: 36 Replies: 0
  Topic: Crushing Taxes Going to Welfare and Illegal Aliens...     Rating: -1
  Last response by stallrocket on October 10, 2008

• Re: Can Welfare Islamics Quote Marx in Two Languages...

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 10, 2008     Views: 27 Replies: 0
  Topic: Can Welfare Islamics Quote Marx in Two Languages...     Rating: -1
  Last response by stallrocket on October 10, 2008

• Re: Amazing How Al Qaeda Has a Presidential Candidate......

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 10, 2008     Views: 30 Replies: 0
  Topic: Amazing How Al Qaeda Has a Presidential Candidate...­...     Rating: -1
  Last response by stallrocket on October 10, 2008

• Re: Election Of Dem Congress In 2006 Had Worse Impact Than 9/11

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 10, 2008     Views: 41 Replies: 1
  Topic: Election Of Dem Congress In 2006 Had Worse Impact Than 9/11     Rating: -1
  Last response by PaulB on October 10, 2008

• Re: Should we judge people who have changed? Bill Ayers now,

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 10, 2008     Views: 33 Replies: 0
  Topic: Should we judge people who have changed? Bill Ayers now,     
  Last response by Cotton2226 on October 10, 2008

• Re: Should we judge people who have changed? Bill Ayers now,

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 10, 2008     Views: 32 Replies: 0
  Topic: Should we judge people who have changed? Bill Ayers now,     
  Last response by Cotton2226 on October 10, 2008

• Re: Reason to drill. PRIME example.

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 10, 2008     Views: 31 Replies: 1
  Topic: Reason to drill. PRIME example.     Rating: -1
  Last response by jammer on October 10, 2008

• Re: Reason to drill. PRIME example.

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 10, 2008     Views: 26 Replies: 1
  Topic: Reason to drill. PRIME example.     Rating: -1
  Last response by jammer on October 10, 2008

• Re: Sexist Fantasies About Women Posted Here...

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 9, 2008     Views: 35 Replies: 1
  Topic: Sexist Fantasies About Women Posted Here...     Rating: -1
  Last response by SUPERHEATED on October 9, 2008

• Re: Sean Hannity Offered to send ten thousand to Obama's brother

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 9, 2008     Views: 42 Replies: 2
  Topic: Sean Hannity Offered to send ten thousand to Obama's brother     Rating: -1
  Last response by stallrocket on October 9, 2008

• Re: Do you have fantasies about white men's sisters?

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 9, 2008     Views: 43 Replies: 0
  Topic: Sean Hannity Offered to send ten thousand to Obama's brother     Rating: -1
  Last response by stallrocket on October 9, 2008

• Re: With No Platform to

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 9, 2008     Views: 39 Replies: 1
  Topic: With No Platform to     
  Last response by spreadsheet on October 9, 2008

• Re: A Voters Town Hall Plea to McCain...

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 9, 2008     Views: 43 Replies: 1
  Topic: A Voters Town Hall Plea to McCain...     Rating: -1
  Last response by mark14 on October 9, 2008

• Re: Dow down to 1998 levels

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 9, 2008     Views: 46 Replies: 2
  Topic: Dow down to 1998 levels     
  Last response by Italia on October 9, 2008

• Re: Is Obama Correct To Think Healthcare Is A Right?

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 9, 2008     Views: 28 Replies: 1
  Topic: Is Obama Correct To Think Healthcare Is A Right?     Rating: -1
  Last response by PaulB on October 9, 2008

• Re: What Did Barney Frank Do To Head Off Sub-Prime Crisis

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 41 Replies: 0
  Topic: What Did Barney Frank Do To Head Off Sub-Prime Crisis     Rating: -1
  Last response by PaulB on October 9, 2008

• Re: Sarah Palin....

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 47 Replies: 0
  Topic: Sarah Palin....     
  Last response by stallrocket on October 8, 2008

• Re: Sould Dems. and Libs. pile on Palin as she does???

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 26 Replies: 0
  Topic: Sould Dems. and Libs. pile on Palin as she does???     
  Last response by JimSanDiego on October 8, 2008

• Re: If Ayers Is A Critical Issue...

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 62 Replies: 0
  Topic: If Ayers Is A Critical Issue...     
  Last response by Bruce on October 8, 2008

• My Fellow Prisoners

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 49 Replies: 1
  Topic: My Fellow Prisoners     
  Last response by stallrocket on October 8, 2008

• Re: My Fellow Prisoners

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 31 Replies: 0
  Topic: My Fellow Prisoners     
  Last response by stallrocket on October 8, 2008

• The Ayers Thing Isn't Working So....

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 57 Replies: 1
  Topic: The Ayers Thing Isn't Working So....     
  Last response by Nestor2 on October 8, 2008

• Re: The Ayers Thing Isn't Working So....

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 27 Replies: 1
  Topic: The Ayers Thing Isn't Working So....     
  Last response by Nestor2 on October 8, 2008

• Re: A terrorist-in-chief? Really?

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 6, 2008     Views: 60 Replies: 2
  Topic: A terrorist-in­-chief? Really?     Rating: -2
  Last response by RANGER 82 on October 8, 2008

• Re: A terrorist-in-chief? Really?

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 6, 2008     Views: 61 Replies: 0
  Topic: A terrorist-in­-chief? Really?     Rating: -2
  Last response by RANGER 82 on October 8, 2008

• Re: Pathology

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 38 Replies: 0
  Topic: Pathology     
  Last response by stallrocket on October 8, 2008

• Re: ACORN Finds Another Fifty Voters in St. Louis Drug Rehab....

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 26 Replies: 0
  Topic: ACORN Finds Another Fifty Voters in St. Louis Drug Rehab....     Rating: -1
  Last response by Youngblood Hawk on October 8, 2008

• Can Any of You Right Wing Nutcases

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 49 Replies: 0
  Topic: Can Any of You Right Wing Nutcases     
  Last response by stallrocket on October 8, 2008

• Re: McCain is NOT the "cool hand at the tiller"

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 35 Replies: 0
  Topic: McCain is NOT the "cool hand at the tiller"     
  Last response by stallrocket on October 8, 2008

• Re: Thanks for the billions Congress the spa was GREAT!

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 34 Replies: 0
  Topic: Thanks for the billions Congress the spa was GREAT!     Rating: -1
  Last response by stallrocket on October 8, 2008

• Re: I'VE BEEN THERE, GOT EXPERIENCE translation from mccainese

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 8, 2008     Views: 36 Replies: 1
  Topic: I'VE BEEN THERE, GOT EXPERIENCE translation from mccainese     
  Last response by iwasme on October 8, 2008

• McCain's Treasury Secretary

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 48 Replies: 1
  Topic: McCain's Treasury Secretary     
  Last response by mark14 on October 8, 2008

• Re: Palin should take over McCain campaign..

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 42 Replies: 0
  Topic: Palin should take over McCain campaign..     
  Last response by Fierrey persuit on October 8, 2008

• Lucky For McCain

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 35 Replies: 0
  Topic: Lucky For McCain     
  Last response by stallrocket on October 7, 2008

• Re: McCain says "the Gloves will come off tonite"?

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 36 Replies: 0
  Topic: McCain says "the Gloves will come off tonite"?­     
  Last response by DallasNE on October 7, 2008

• Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is Liberal Socialist Dem's Baby..

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 40 Replies: 1
  Topic: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is Liberal Socialist Dem's Baby..     Rating: -1
  Last response by itsmofeen on October 7, 2008

• Re: Obama Will Name Al Qaeda to Replace U.S. Secret Service...

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 35 Replies: 0
  Topic: Obama Will Name Al Qaeda to Replace U.S. Secret Service...     Rating: -1
  Last response by stallrocket on October 7, 2008

• Re: Wise words for this election year

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 34 Replies: 0
  Topic: Wise words for this election year     Rating: +1/-1
  Last response by JimSanDiego on October 7, 2008

• Re: Obama's sleazy friends

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 34 Replies: 1
  Topic: Obama's sleazy friends     Rating: -2
  Last response by Terrortoon on October 7, 2008

• I Have Decided I Can't Vote For McCain

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 48 Replies: 3
  Topic: I Have Decided I Can't Vote For McCain     
  Last response by Seedy on October 7, 2008

• Re: Even CNN get's on the Obami /Ayres Bandwagon

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 56 Replies: 1
  Topic: Even CNN get's on the Obami /Ayres Bandwagon     Rating: -1
  Last response by TomFitz on October 7, 2008

• Re: Palin's (lack of) foreign policy experience

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 51 Replies: 0
  Topic: Palin's (lack of) foreign policy experience     
  Last response by FormerlyKnownAsIRP on October 7, 2008

• Re: Fruition Of CON-Tard Voo-Doo Economics

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 40 Replies: 0
  Topic: Fruition Of CON-Tard Voo-Doo Economics     
  Last response by Esox88 on October 7, 2008

• Re: PISSIN' INTO THE WIND - mccain and palin

  Posted to Today's Papers by stallrocket on October 7, 2008     Views: 29 Replies: 1
  Topic: PISSIN' INTO THE WIND - mccain and palin     
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