you're at the dead end of your career and you're 'research' is on the wrong side of history...you're married to a diplomat from nowhere who goes to niger at the direction of your agency employer and hammers out yet another report directed against the president's strategic policy and military actions against terrorism aimed at the united states.

it's time to get our priorities straight and stop rewarding bureaucratic actions whose political leanings obstruct and undermine the national defense.

the vanity fair cover spoke volumes about self interest and conceit...

let's have some show trials about that...

Where do you get your info on the status of Plame's career? Did the White House decide it was ok to leak her identity because she was at the end of her career? If they weren't breaking the law, why didn't Cheney or Bush call a press conference and just tell everybody what they leaked (asking not to be indentified) to the half dozen reporters they talked to?

She was on the cover of Vanity Fair after the Novak article. A little late for her to attempt to lay low and hope nobody noticed.

the dems and their fellow travellers in the cia bureaucracy opposed bush politically...the cia choice of hubby to nowhere compounds this fact...

it was timed to go off during the elections and scooter scuttled it...unintentionally?

a hollywood publicist couldn't have created a better game plan...the dems did poorly in the elections--that's more of a message than most realize.

the publicity for plame and the bogus litigation to follow is a retirement plan at the expense of u s strategic interests.

maybe joe and val can get booked on jerry springer and work it out...

It's too late, traitor.

1. Wilson went to Niger in February 2002. He wrote his article on July 6th, 2003. Exactly what election was this timed to impact?

2. The dems didn't win the presidential election, but we did win a number of other elections. A senate seat in Colorado for one and the Colorado state house for another.

3. Wilson was decorated by Bush's dad after the first gulf war for his heroic actions in Baghdad. He had served in a number of African countries and knew many of those in the leadership in Niger. Wilson was the author of one out of three reports that were written about the yellowcake in Niger. All agreed that there was no attempt to obtain yellowcake and that even if there were it would be impossible to hide. In short, there was no problem related to yellowcake, Iraq and Niger.

4. Just how is it that you've determined that there are communists in the CIA? I would have to guess that you've made that up as well.

You've got some anger with the Wilsons don't you? Hey Joe has run with this issue and made his name on it hasn't he? The thing is, if any WMD or even the less scary "WMD Related Programs" had been found in Iraq he'd be less than a footnote to history. Here's the thing. The only evidence that Iraq was trying to obtain Uranium from Africa was a known forgery. But that information found its way into not one but two Presidential Addresses, it was removed from the first speech, but ended up in the SOTU. Somebody wanted the lie that Saddam was seeking Uranium in Africa to go out to the American People. That means that somebody wanted to make a fraudulent case for war. I'm not a huge fan of the Wilsons, but I'm not stupid either. If you want to be angry about dishonest political figures start with Chimpy in Chief and his puppetmaster Darth, people are really dying over their lies. Blaming the Wilsons is simply an admission of your own hypocrisy.

middle,

there are obviously dem political operatrives in the cia and two of them were plame and her husband--let's have an impartial report?--joe.

the only soviet communists left are in france, italy and russia and there are none in the cia anymore (there were 100 at state after ww2)..i didn't realize that you were that retro.

plame and joe replaced their failed bureaucratic careers with those of celebrities--on the political curcuit at that! with the considerable help of the cia and the justice department:

the cia and justice department seem to be loose cannons--maybe the executive branch should create a few show trials of its own to remedy that?

i'm not angry...just disappointed in the dems and how they will betray their own country's strategic interests and national defense for personal gain.

yellow cake is a processed commodity (uranium) on the open market.

it is highly regulated and in french west africa monopolized almost entirely by europeans.

if you have the money and european connections, you can buy as much as you want.

if you have evil intentions, then you need someone to front for you.

khadafi duck and his son boy wonder (who is still very angry) bailed in that role after 9-11. whether or not they redirected any u235, enriched uranium or yellowcake before the u s hauled the remainder away is open to debate. if any got away, it went back and forth to pakistan and then where? reads this way--out of east africa (china ops) to the next perps who will conduct another fascist european backed attack on the continental u s. khadafi's fave was north korean, noh?

your argument is based on a political construct...joe and val were politically disinterested civil servants just doing their impartial jobs. yikes!!!! they're willing dem celebs now, sweetheart...just cashing in on the dispersion?

the time line is simple--the united states was attacked by saudi backed terrorists directly linked to the saudi royal family and saudi arabia is a british colonial construct (like iraq) with headquarters in london and geneva.

dubya put us back in the deal that clinton and his pandering patronizing euro-clowns allowed us to be forced out of...the planes impacting the wtc towers were mirror images of clinton's cruise missiles hitting serb highrises. serbs are european fascist.

european (and democratic party) fascism is real and directed at the only colony to escape europe, the united states (although jay's treaty began the current british infatuation).

put up the money and i'll deliver as much yellowcake as you want (if you're not on the threat list) to a licensed warehouse nearest you. it's just a free market transaction...with everyone's fingers in the pie. i'm not currently in the economic group grope known as europe, but i'll dust off my phonebook (if my current employer grants permission...unlike plame and joe, i'd make sure that everything is vetted by the commander in chief, you know, so united states interests aren't stratgically compromised).

i'm not important, and slate isn't anymore european than the london guardian (manchester...is that still used?)

Here's the thing about your argument. Saddam had no need for Uranium. He had no WMD no WMD Related Programs, and no WMD Related Program Materials. I don't doubt he could have acquired it if he had wanted, but you're not seeing the forest for the trees. We invaded Iraq and found - nothing. We now know the Uranium from Africa story was a lie. And more than that, we know it was not an accidental overstatement, it was a deliberate lie told for maximum effect. And Joe Wilson didn't tell us that lie, he exposed it. Why are you so angry with that? Shouldn't you be angry with the people that told you the lie? I know I am.

As for the rest of your rambling. I have no idea what you're talking about and don't think you do either.

It is clear that you think anyone who isn't in lock step with the administration is a democratic operative. Calling Plame a bureaucrat is incorrect in that she was an analyst in the non-proliferation group. Calling Wilson a failed bureaucratic is incorrect in that he was decorated by GHW Bush for valor and was considered an expert on Africa and was selected twice for trips to Africa to collect intel for the CIA.

The people responsible for the indictment and conviction of Libby were republicans. The CIA lawyers referred the case to Justice & the Bush appointee at Justice appointed Fitzgerald to prosecute.....the defense had every opportunity to participate in selection of a jury and haven't offered any information to support any sort of accusation that the jury was unfair.

Your attempt to slander Wilson & Plame is irrelevant. What they did after the smear campaign directed by Cheney's office has no bearing on whether or not Libby lied to hide the effort to boost their effort to justify invading Iraq.

Your assumption that Joe Mccarthy was correct in accusing the state department of having 100 communists shows who is retro....

the 100 communists at state is what the state department confirmed...mccarthy never knew about them.

plame under'cover' as the ambassador's wife is a non-starter.

the cia employing both joe and plame on the same issue is an intelligence operational mistake, let alone sending joe to nowhere to investigate nothing.

both of them in opposition to the prosecution of the war on terror in iraq is a red flag as far as the cia is concerned...next time, send someone else. anyone.

plame and joe proved it by making it a political cause with both staged public appearances and in the published media.

the cia security breakdown and loss of 'cover' begins officially with their marriage.

everything since is just a media construct.

bush put us back in the deal in iraq. wmd was handled effectively by the israelis in 1981.

sort of like iran will be handled.

lfawo,

it's a commodity. it can be purchased. since 2001, you get a lot of attention.

saddam had all of the clinton years (like north korea) to facillitate the r and d, transport and determine the availability of wmd: like he did several times in niger! the iraqi attempts are documented. to tie the issue to a british revelation of an italian forged document, is secondary to the fact that saddam was involved in nuclear weapons r and d and was looking frequently and hard to obtain the same. this is allowing the u s to ignore his actual use of poison gas (wmd?) against iran.

iraq as a british political construct is clear...three distinct groups pitted against one another: classic european colonial policy. the u s is the new player, on the ground and that construct has changed. our huge embassy and military base aren't going anywhere for a long time.

unless the democrats defeat american strategic plans for whose benefit?

the only answer is fascist europe. the saudis, syrians, baathists, and egyptians were and are colonial european fascists. think there's any wmd in that mix?

Joe Wilson was never employed by the CIA.

You continue to try to say that Plame's identity was not covert, but the fact is that nobody knew until the White House started talking to reporters. If she was not covert why didn't the White House just call a press conference and say that she had sent her husband to Niger? Your attempt to claim otherwise shows how much you've bought the White House line.

Are you paying attention at all? Do you recall that I'd posted to you that there had been two other reports from Niger on the issue of yellowcake, one from the ambassador and one from a Nato general. Both reports said there is no agreement between Iraq and Niger and there has been no attempt to get an agreement.

plame worked as an analyst for the cia.

joe did not work for the cia.

plame according to the cia was a covert operative.

in my experience this is impossible if you are an ambassador's wife.

joe was sent to niger by the cia. the cia already knew what his report would say. the cia is culpable in this plot against dubya to attack the wmd premise.

the report is made public, joe's report.

plame is made known to armitage? by the cia? who?

armitage outs her to the media.

armitage admits this and does not lie about it.

the cia has initiated and promoted the entire incident.

they also contact the justice department after the whitehouse confirmation of plame's cia employment and (initiates?) approves a justice investigation.

prosecutors are appointed to prosecute the administration (scooter).

the entire issue of wmd seems to be a cia initiated consruct aimed at the whitehouse through justice.

plame and joe go public as dem media celebrities.

if you can't see any of this, then there is no further need to discuss it.

The fact that Plame was the wife of an ambassador does not mean she cannot also serve as a clandestine operative. That is your opinion and it is in contrast to that of the CIA.

Whether or not the CIA was attempting to plot against the White House is again your opinion and has no bearing on the fact that Libby lied. You at least acknowledge that be saying that it "seems to be a cia initiated construct". The fact remains that there were 3 reports at about the same time. Only one was initiated by the CIA. The other two came from the Pentagon and the State department and all three agreed that there was no validity to the yellowcake story.

There were 4 sources within the administration and they leaked to at least 6 different reporters within a 30 day period. It seems pretty obvious to me that the very circumstances of that many conversations between people with security clearances and media related to a CIA employee is suspect.

Do you disagree with any of that?