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LIBBY, NOAH & BUSH
by Geyser

It is a brave arguement but, one that can't be agreed to. I was actully surprised, I would've thought bush would go straigth to the Pardon.

So, was justice served? Noah says yes. The $250K Fine and a Felony record is enough for Four counts of Lying to a Grand Jury. It might be okay but to satisfy it with Clinton's lie, just doesn't wash.

Clinton lied about having Sex in the Oval Office. Libby lied about outing a CIA Operative. It is Black and White, Apples and Oranges, Republican and Democrat. There is no comparison to what Clinton lied about to what Libby lied about. Besides, why compare at all? They are two different cases.

No, Justice is blind but it knows this time, it was left unfinished.

Re: LIBBY, NOAH & BUSH
by jazzguitarman

I was also surprised GWB just didn't pardon Libby. So in some ways I guess I should be happy Libby come some form of punishment.

Since the Pres is granted with the absolute power to pardon, one can agrue that justice has been served. In other words the case is closed. END.

So I'm looking at this from a political viewpoint. Since the majority of voters don't follow the news too closely and only understand the surface of stories, the Dems should be able to paint 'Libbygate' in a very negative way in 08. You know the; GOP is a bunch of crooks,,,, the leader of the GOP helps these crooks,,,etc...

For Dems the trade off of more power for a few months of jail time for Libby may end up being a very sweet deal!

Re: LIBBY, NOAH & BUSH
by Arkady
I suppose there is a kind of bravery in being willing to make an argument so breathtakingly stupid that you can be absolutely certain it will lead to public ridicule and ignominy. However, that bravery still doesn't erase the stupidity. Noah got his facts wrong time and again, and strung them together with reasoning a mildly retarded child could have bettered.
Re: LIBBY, NOAH & BUSH
by yipyapyaoo
you can count on it. law and order...da's and at's are incensed.
Re: LIBBY, NOAH & BUSH
by BeingFrank

the Dems should be able to paint 'Libbygate' in a very negative way in 08. You know the; GOP is a bunch of crooks,,,, the leader of the GOP helps these crooks,,,etc...

In other words, the truth should be entirely sufficient.

Re: LIBBY, NOAH & BUSH
by val

Well, one theory I've heard is that if Libby's sentence is merely commuted and he's still in the appeals process, the case is still open, so if he gets hauled in front of a congressional committee to testify about any of these shenanigans, he can plead the Fifth because his case is still active and he has the right not to incriminate himself. Just because there's less punishment involved, that doesn't mean he's off the hook legally for the crime, just that he doesn't have to go to jail. Once he's pardoned, there's no jeopardy involved in anything he says and he can't take the Fifth. So he'll either have to spill or lie again, this time to Congress. This way Bush and Cheney avoid having their involvement revealed by Scooter in any kind of congressional hearings and Bush can run out the clock and pardon Scooter on the way out. Plus, for the vast majority of the public out there who haven't been paying attention and don't know the legal niceties (see Noah, Timothy) it makes Bush look like he's come to a reasonable compromise, did it out of mercy yet "respected" the court's decision, and wasn't bowing to pressure from the right to completely pardon Scooter. Knowing all this, it's not at all surprising Bush chose that route.

As for the token amount of "punishment" Bush left for Scooter, he won't even feel it. His defense fund headed by Tucker Carlson's dad and Fred Thompson has raised millions of dollars. A $250,000 fine is pocket change. Plus, Scooter comes from money already. He could pay it himself and hardly notice. And it looks like the judge is now saying that the probation was designed to follow incarceration, so if there's no prison there may not be probation unless someone clears this up. Which gives the lie to the fiction put about by the White House and dutifully regurgitated by the media that Bush consulted for weeks and weeks with lawyers and carefully considered what he was doing. This was obviously done quickly on the fly and they didn't research it enough, or they wouldn't have left this kind of legal limbo that's going to drag out this story longer and make Bush and his people look ridiculous.

As to Scooter suffering loss of reputation and career, my sides are still aching from laughter. A glance at the roster of this president's administration will show you just how much criminal behavior holds you back in a Republican administration. With all the Nixon WH veterans and Reagan-Bush Iran-Contra holdovers in this administration, they could hold a corruption convention. And Ollie North is soooo hurting from his wrongdoing. G. Gordon Liddy even sucked it up and went to prison unlike wimpy Scooter and it doesn't seem to have stunted his career growth any. Felony convictions for loyalty and obstruction are probably a badge of honor, a veritable Medal of Freedom, you might say. Noah, are you really that stupid and obtuse or are you actually a brilliant satirist whose work is just too finely drawn for our Philistine brains to comprehend?

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