...trade places with a black man in America today?

...be offended if an Obama surrogate said Hillary is only where she is because she's a woman?

...be offended if an Obama surrogate said Hillary is only where she is because of her husband?

...have voted for Margaret Thatcher just because she's a woman?

Serious answers only please. Let's lay our cards on the table here.

Saying Obama is "lucky" because of black voters is like saying Hillary is lucky to have a vagina because of female voters. Oops, I take that back, too many people would agree that having a vagina is lucky... but few in this country would agree that being black is lucky.

Don't forget that blacks can be racists, too. No one should get a way with racists remarks, so hopefully the media picks up from BOTH sides. Unfortunately, Obama is in bed with the media... hope is lost for any white female in a race run.

I would not mind being Obama...

Those implications about Hillary have been made... pay attention...

Several of my male friends have said they will not vote for Hillary because she is a woman. These people are still my friends, even though they disappoint me with their logic.

People are being asked to vote for the person they think can win the White House. Why do we have such short term goals of 2008, 2012... why not 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020? It could be possible to have democratic candidates with similar positions on the issues in the White House for 16 years, but gender and race and egos are getting in the way.

Obama and Clinton are politicians. Obama has not taken the high road, these are his politics too. So, his credibility diminishes as we see more of him. He wants everything his way now! So, pay attention everyone.

I think it is time for real, honest gender and race issues to be discussed! We can't ignore the truth and make it go away. The only way to fix it is to address it now, honestly, rationally and fairly.

I do not like the sexist media and the way women are portrayed in our country. Just as it is wrong to sterotype race, it is wrong to exploit and stereotype women.

Personally, I think that there is a huge differece between being called a monster (and other unmentionables that Obama supporters spew) and being called privileged because you are a black man in a unique situation.

I live in Texas, and here in the "South", the vibe I get from good Southern women down here is two-fold on why they won't vote for HRC:

1. they feel that she mishandled the whole Bill and Monica affair. they feel he should have been kicked to the curb and that she only stayed because of her future agenda.

2. this is going to sound crazy (I'm originally a west coast boy, so it sounded crazy to me), but a lot of the Southern women I know feel that a man should be in charge of things. I know....sounds a little old-fashioned, and I don't agree with that opinion, however thats the South for you.

Just adding 2.5 cents

The issue is that Geraldine Ferraro was channeling Barbara Bush when the latter said that blacks were lucky to have had Katrina happen to them.

In this sense, Geraldine Ferraro has shown the utter contempt with which she holds any minority (male or female) that rises to be her equal.

Thanks for bringing the word vagina to today's discussion!

That made me laugh, which we could all use.

OK, here's my "real, honest" take on gender and race: as the father of three girls, I'd love to be able to support a woman for president. (My 3-year-old is a Hillary fan.) Just not this particular woman. I'm not especially impressed with her non-First Lady accomplishments, including shoving a seasoned New York legislator out of the way so she could become Senator of a state where she had never lived. (That seasoned legislator also happened to be a woman. Where was Ferraro then?) I don't think she can beat John McCain in the fall - if you do, please tell me which states she can win that Kerry lost. And most importantly, I don't think she'd be a good president. A corporate lawyer who served on the board of Wal-Mart and voted for the Iraq War? Doesn't sound like my kind of president.

Of course, the Clinton "insult your way to victory" strategy would simply brand people like me as sexist. I'll ask again: is voting for a woman always an inherently feminist act? What about Thatcher? And exactly what has Hillary Clinton done to make this a better country for my daughters?

"I would not mind being Obama..."

You mean now, after he's put in years of work to get where he is, everywhere from the South Side of Chicago to Harvard Law School? Sure, who wouldn't? I'm asking whether you (presumably a white female) would have had an easier path to success if you'd been born a black male. (Or mixed-race-male-perceived-as-b­lack, if you prefer.) I notice nobody has really engaged this question, because everybody knows the answer.

southsidered: Do you think that Obama was born and raised on the South Side of Chicago?? Hmm... I think that you may have missed my point and decided to presume things... I merely was alluding to the fact that his obstacles were not comparable to the majority of black males born in our country. His hardships growing up hardly compare to the average black man's in the US today.

southsidered:

OK, here's my "real, honest" take on gender and race: as the father of three girls, I'd love to be able to support a woman for president. (My 3-year-old is a Hillary fan.) Just not this particular woman. I'm not especially impressed with her non-First Lady accomplishments, including shoving a seasoned New York legislator out of the way so she could become Senator of a state where she had never lived. (That seasoned legislator also happened to be a woman. Where was Ferraro then?) I don't think she can beat John McCain in the fall - if you do, please tell me which states she can win that Kerry lost. And most importantly, I don't think she'd be a good president. A corporate lawyer who served on the board of Wal-Mart and voted for the Iraq War? Doesn't sound like my kind of president.

Of course, the Clinton "insult your way to victory" strategy would simply brand people like me as sexist. I'll ask again: is voting for a woman always an inherently feminist act? What about Thatcher? And exactly what has Hillary Clinton done to make this a better country for my daughters?

I think you branded yourself here... I can think of several things Hillary has done to make this a better place for your daughters... I am sorry that an intelligent, strong willed, determined woman that keeps her clothes on and feels that her opinions count is so disgusting to you.