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OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by medmass
While some may find what Geraldine Ferraro said to be offensive it is unfortunately the truth. For such a supposedly advanced country the U.S. is one of the most puritanical, sexist and racist countries in the world. This election in particular is based on race and gender lines. By the way whatever happened to freedom of speech? Everyone today is so sensitive and touchy. We all have to walk around being so "policitcally correct" in our words. This was not a racist remark but simply a remark ABOUT race.
Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by tron_carter
I love how white women are so victimized. There's not a single white woman in this country who'd trade places with the average black man. And Hillary, who grew up in private schools and went to Ivy League schools, married a governor and eventual president of the USA has had it so hard. Yeah, black men have had it so easy compared to her. LOL. Anyone who pursues this line of argument is a fool not worthy of recognition. I can't believe I wasted my keystrokes.
Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by steelyjoe

Wake up, America! It is the year 2008! We should not give a damn whether a candidate is black, white or fuschia! What we NEED is a leader who is bold, courageous, and intelligent - regardless of color. We NEED someone who can start working on untangling our financial train wreck, we NEED someone who realizes you cannot cut taxes while increasing spending - it's basic math! We NEED a leader who will demand that Iraq start paying the freight for this fiasco; using their HUGE budget surplus from the increased oil prices! (see related link)

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Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by medmass
To Tron Carter: Blacks in this country have never had it so good. Who is the richest woman in America who started the whole race debate in this election: OPRAH a BLACK woman. While I do like many things Oprah does and do on occasion watch her show, she has thousands, if not millions, of fans who would blindly follow her every word. She has her own magazine and now her own TV network. Two years ago I was very ill and needed medicaid. Just temporarily so I could have some needed tests done. The two people ahead of me - one black and one Hispanic - were treated with the utmost respect. When I got to the counter the BLACK employee glared at me, would not accept paperwork I downloaded from the website and suggested that if I were that poor I should be applying for welfare. Little did she know that I am a white Hispanic but my last name I guess was too European and not Hispanic sounding enough for her. All the while she was also on her cell phone yelling at her kids. If a WHITE person did that they would be fired.
Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by Dabear
Nope - you were fooled. It was a racist remark. What, a black man can only make it because he's black? That's not racist, it's just a comment about race? The race is based on race and gender lines? Blacks are minorities. Look at the map. North Dakota, Iowa, Idaho, Washington, Vermont, Minnesota? Last time I checked these weren't "black" states. You certainly don't do much for your "supposedly advanced country" theory.
Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by medmass
To Dabear: Give me a break. Obama has the least experience of any candidate who has run so far. He is a very smooth talker. Trust me if he were white he'd been out of the game a LONG time ago.
Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by Lassair

Dabear, I do wish I didn't need to say this, but it isn't the majority of white people who are voting strictly along racial lines. That they did in the past is nothing to be proud of, but that the vast majority of black people are voting along racial lines now is hardly something to be proud of either. Reverse prejudice is still prejudice. And Mrs. Ferraro spoke about prejudice, not as a racist or feminist. And the fact that 'white' states voted for Obama proves my point, not yours.

Dabear:
Nope - you were fooled. It was a racist remark. What, a black man can only make it because he's black? That's not racist, it's just a comment about race? The race is based on race and gender lines? Blacks are minorities. Look at the map. North Dakota, Iowa, Idaho, Washington, Vermont, Minnesota? Last time I checked these weren't "black" states. You certainly don't do much for your "supposedly advanced country" theory.

Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by Dabear
Obama has more years as an elected official than Hillary has. She has two years more than him in the Senate (WOW!). By your definition of experience, Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush, and Laura Bush are qualified. What Obama supporters are looking for is CHANGE. Washington DC experience has given us a 13 trillion dollar national debt, a 12 billion dollar a month war habit, a failed energy policy, and a nation on the verge of another Great Depression. She has experience with Washington DC, Walmart, Whitewater, and Womanizing husbands. Don't ask me to give you a break. Save it for when we're all working at Krispy Kreme.
Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by gearby

I've heard the argument that he has more years in public office than Hillary. It takes an enormous stretch of truths to even come to that conclusion. Only if you discount her time as first lady and count Obama's time in the Illinois senate can anyone even come to that conclusion. Any reasonable person is aware that time spent as first lady is much more valuable than time spent in a state senate.

Your facts are not correct either. Hillary was sworn in to the Senate on Jan. 3, 2001 and Obama was sworn in Jan.3, 2005, which is 4 years more for Hillary.

The national bebt is currently 9.4 trillion, not sure where you got the 13 trillion.

Obama can only run on change, what else is someone going to run on who has little experience? That's what I'd run on if I were running, lol You won't get change from him, he's just playing the people just like all the others, it's the same politics, different packaging. In fact, if he can't figure out how to work with congress, he'll get nothing done and just end up a lame duck president. But I don't expect him to get there, go to the right wing web sites and see all the dirt their compiling on him. Think the Hillary attacks are bad, just wait to see what the Republican war machine will do to him. The 30 second attack ads will destroy him. Remember what they managed to do to John Kerry's purple hearts? And that guy was a war hero, Obama is just a rookie with a dirty trail. This election will just be another folly in American history. Just sit back and enjoy the real life comedy.

Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by cherrking

No Lassair, he didn't prove your point. I'll make it clear for you. Black people vote for Obama, for the same reason whites in white states vote for Him. Because he's the best candidate.

Black people have voted 95% for white candidates for 40 years. What should we do? Not vote for who we see, as the best candidate, because he's black?

My family was about 50/50 for Hillary, until South Carolina.

Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by SandyB

I can't believe that anyone in this string would dispute that Ferraro's comments were anything but ridiculous! To call Obama "lucky" is about as stupid a comment as I have ever heard. He is "lucky" to be black because he gets black votes? First, there have been other black nominees, but they didn't get an overwhelming black vote, so to imply that he is getting the black vote is to imply that blacks aren't intelligent enough to judge the candidates by anything other than their skin color. To say that Obama is "lucky" is the most lame-brained comment I have ever heard! He was born handicapped and grew up handicapped, as has any other person of color in this country!

The facts are that both Clinton and Obama have enjoyed some measure of success in this race because of their minority status. Clinton's many female supporters make no bone about why they are voting for her, because she is a female (I would be willing to guess that the 10% of the black vote that went to Clinton was women over fifty). SO WHAT? Some of Obama's supporters vote for him solely because he is black. SO WHAT? Much of McCain's voters will be military veterans. SO WHAT? Does that mean that everyone else voting is following one of these reasons. I don't think so, I'm white, female, never been in the military, and I voted for Obama.

What I found most disturbing about the Mississippi exit polls was the unusually large number of white men who did not vote for Obama, he has been getting about 50% of those in the other primaries. Hmmm.....that tells me that if an overwhelming number of blacks in Mississippi voted for Obama, and an overwhelming number of white men did not, skewing the results on both sides, that would indicate that a racial divide and poverty is more prominent in this state than in others. Just speculation of course, but that is my take on what we saw last night.

Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by Luis O.
how in hell do you get that women are a minority in this country? last i heard, women were HALF the human race, and the population of this country, and BLACKS are less than 25% of the ENTIRE world's population. the people of this country obviously go for the shiny side of everything instead of the dull story of real life.
Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by roadrage

Yes, this was just a remark about race, perhaps with a bit of spleen-venting thrown in. Yes, we are all too touchy. How long will we have to tiptoe around this candidate's "race issue" before he declares it a non-issue? Or will he ever? Perhaps Ferraro's comment was the tip of an iceberg.

Is it really likely Ferraro is planting the land mines of racist innuendo in the service of the Clinton campaign because that may be their only hope in the face of the Obama steamroller? Ferraro's comment was probably unrehearsed but may echo frustration in the Clinton camp that the candidate is exploiting his racial identity. Ferarro at least had the delicacy not to question whether Obama is really black, but that may underlie some of the exasperation she expressed. Obama was "raised white" after being abandoned by his Kenyan father - so much for the claim to much of the African-American experience. White voters - particularly those earnest Midwesterners in the early primaries - must have felt giddy with relief that here, at last, was a "black" candidate they could feel good about - because Obama sounds like them, like his white Midwestern mother. (Obama may sound a bit different addressing black audiences or in his church, which describes itself as "Afrocentric" on its website, but, hey, why not? Ole' Bill Clinton tried to sound more like a cracker when he was down home...)

Poor Obama - he might really be torn. He may really believe in his "change" message and actually be an honest, "clean, fresh" voice in Washington. (Joe Biden - Sorry for plagiarizing your much-denounced racist praise there a bit.) He knows better, though, than to risk honestly presenting himself as the first bi-racial, post-racial presidential candidate. Let his devotees chant that "race doesn't matter". Obama knows that it does, and he knows that pitching himself - with Oprah's massive PR machine behind him - as a presentable, non-threatening black man with a message of hope can open the floodgates of white guilt and generate votes. You can't blame blacks for unquestioningly backing Obama; they know that his very "whiteness" gives him - and them - a serious shot at national leadership. That has to be frustrating in its own way, but you work with what you've got. One has to feel sorry for Al Sharpton's generation of black leaders who labored to build up the black vote as an effective special interest group within the Democratic Party and who now have to at least be seen passing on the torch to this young upstart.

What passes for a dialog about race in this country is laughable, just a swirl of images and attitudes and shouting and threats. Obama is in a unique position to provide some badly needed perspective and even national healing, but will he? If Barak Obama does one thing - one simple thing - I'll stop believing he is as cynically ambitious and as power-hungry as those master image manipulators - the Clintons: Barak, address the election "race issue" squarely. Come out on national television and say you are as proud of your white heritage as you are of your black heritage. You don't even have to say you are white, or that "race doesn't matter". Just say you are equally proud of both sides of your heritage. Take that chance and I will vote for you because you will be a unifier, not a divider. Too risky a sound bite to have replayed over and over again? I thought so. Good luck.

The pundits are sneering at Iowa congressmen Steve King as just another loose-mouthed rube bigot, but it would be interesting to find out how the Obama candidacy is playing in the Muslim world. Jihadist leaders may or may not see the hand of God in all this, but it may well be that just the simple act of having someone with a Muslim name elected US president would have enormous symbolic impact.

There is a practical issue related to Obama's Islamic heritage, though. If Obama does decide to go talk to our enemies - or allies - in countries governed by Islamic law, he might want to very carefully research which school of Islamic jurisprudence is in effect. He may discover that the legitimate child of a Muslim father is a Muslim. (Muslim women can't marry non-Muslims, and even though a man's wives who are from a "people of the book" may remain Jews or Christians, the offspring are Muslims.) Rejecting Islam in order to embrace another religion can be a very, very serious offense, and he just might want to learn how apostates are dealt with before setting foot in one of these countries.

Obama may well be our next president. He has rock-star appeal to the MTV and text-messaging generations. Compared to Obama, John McCain has the charisma of cold biscuit dough. It's going to be one hell of a race.


Re: OH THE TRUTH HURTS
by donnamp

medmass:
While some may find what Geraldine Ferraro said to be offensive it is unfortunately the truth. For such a supposedly advanced country the U.S. is one of the most puritanical, sexist and racist countries in the world. This election in particular is based on race and gender lines. By the way whatever happened to freedom of speech? Everyone today is so sensitive and touchy. We all have to walk around being so "policitcally correct" in our words. This was not a racist remark but simply a remark ABOUT race.

Well, here is another truth, if Hillary was not Mrs. Clinton, the wife of a former President, she never would have become Senator Clinton and never would be in the running to be the first female Presidential candidate. So Hillary must be lucky that she married Bill Clinton and was born a woman.

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