Rosa you are such a patsy.

Don't you see some truth in what Geraldine Ferraro said? Not one single iota of reasoned insight?

He for one isn't challenged on his own racial views that are expressed via his church and sometimes his wife because he is black. His experience much like Hillary's is inconsequential to the job description

You do realize that Obama is likely in his own manner a racist or racist sympathizer? Not the cut the dogs loose, string 'em high kind but still a holder of intolerant views or a sympathizer.

The irony in that is that he is still of the three the lesser evil. I can't figure out if we are getting the leaders we deserve or the ones we don't deserve. My head spins - are we assholes or aren't we assholes?

He was questioned about his churches views...by Tim Russert...in a nationally televised debate. The same one where he rejected and denounced Farrakhan.

Maybe you should look shit up once in a while.

Quote of Obama's Right Reverend Pastor Jeremiah Wright:

Wright espouses a theology that seeks to reconcile African-American Christianity with, as he has written, “the raw data of our racist existence in this strange land.” The historical accuracy of that claim is incontestable. But his message is more confrontational than may be palatable to some white voters. In his book “Africans Who Shaped Our Faith”—an extended refutation of the Western Christianity that gave rise to “the European Jesus . . . the blesser of the slave trade, the defender of racism and apartheid”—he says, “In this country, racism is as natural as motherhood, apple pie, and the fourth of July. Many black people have been deluded into thinking that our BMWs, Lexuses, Porsches, Benzes, titles, heavily mortgaged condos and living environments can influence people who are fundamentally immoral.”

The below items were on the front page of Obama's church's website and now taken off obviously because of political pressure.

Why wasn't Obama asked to clarify these statements with his current beliefs and also asked why these items are more important to a Christian church than more faith centered tenets. I'll give you a clue: it's because the church practices liberation theology.

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

Why hasn't Hillary been asked about her time as a corporate shill for Wal-Mart? Why isn't everyone or anyone asking anything....or everything?

Why isn't EVERY christian asked to defend every single thing the bible or the pope says? Because, as far as I know, you can be a christian or belong to a church without agreeing with everything they say.

In the history of the United States, there have only been three black senators. Three out of one 1897 senators. Compare that the to the fourteen female senators currently sitting in the 108th congress. (granted it should be nearer to 50, but that's a different thread)

You could intelligently argue that of the 40.2 million black residents in the US, Barack Obama is the only one who could be in the position that he is in.

I can name a dozen white men that I could see at the top of the democratic ticket, and even a handful of women, but only one black man. Barack Obama is winning IN SPITE of his race, not because of it.

I hate to say it, but her comments are either blatantly racist or simply moronic.

Yeah, she was right. Obama's an unaccomplished freshman Senator and a pretty good speaker. How could he have possibly gone so far if he weren't black? He probably would have run third behind Edwards. Since he is, he gets about 90% of the black vote in every state.

MY WORDS IN OP: The irony in that is that he is still of the three the lesser evil.

How much of a sycophant are you? I bet if you were asked to offer one criticism of Obama you could not do it. Ever ask yourself why? Do you really believe him to be perfect?

I still admit he is the best choice given these three. Why the hell would I ask Hillary anything. I know what she and her husband are.

Why isn't EVERY christian asked to defend every single thing the bible or the pope says? Because, as far as I know, you can be a christian or belong to a church without agreeing with everything they say

You do realize that a great amount of understanding of an individual can be gotten in a conversation regarding religious beliefs. If it were me, I'd ask them all questions regarding their faith. Theological conversations can be great intellectual exercises that would reveal alot about these people who would be president.

In the history of the United States, there have only been three black senators. Three out of one 1897 senators. Compare that the to the fourteen female senators currently sitting in the 108th congress. (granted it should be nearer to 50, but that's a different thread)

As I understand it governorship experience have long been favored over senatorial experience in presidential races. I'd vote for Colin Powell. I'd vote for a black person with a great management history in the private sector. I don't think our leaders need the political experience Hillary claims she has. I think a great university professor could run the country.

You could intelligently argue that of the 40.2 million black residents in the US, Barack Obama is the only one who could be in the position that he is in.

What about the friend he was falsely accused of plagiarizing, Deval Patrick? He doesn't have any moslem issues!

I can name a dozen white men that I could see at the top of the democratic ticket, and even a handful of women, but only one black man. Barack Obama is winning IN SPITE of his race, not because of it.

He is winning primaries, but will he win the actual election?

I hate to say it, but her comments are either blatantly racist or simply moronic.

I hate to say it but much of Obama's winning lies with the 9 out 10 blacks who are voting for him. For good reasons but also because he is black.

You make another point about race and that 9/10 blacks are voting for him.

You said it first and I repeated it in another post because it is true.

I realize that I'll probably be crucified for this, but I like the way John McCain handled the religion issue when there was a "mini-crisis" over whether he was Baptist or Epsicopalian.

He said: "It plays a role in my life. By the way, I'm not Episcopalian. I'm Baptist," ... "Do I advertise my faith? Do I talk about it all the time? No."

There's a line I often misquote that says something like "By their works you shall know them." That's all I need to know about any candidate running for office and that's what I look for. I live in a democracy, not a theocracy. I believe that spirituality is between an individual and a higher power of their understanding - and no one else.

People who roll themselves up in their religion are about as appealing as people who wear flag pins on their lapels on a daily basis. They are revolting.

That said, if you can't explain your faith or defend it in conversation, then you suck. I'm interested in robust human beings capable of expressing their faith or lack of it in an intellectual fashion.

I'm tired of the intellectual midgets we keep getting for president. McCain, wasn't he the Einstein at the naval academy while he was there?

People who agree with Ferraro are subscribing to the belief that most black people are incapable of separating a person's race from the qualities that make that person a standout candidate.

So yes, I do think you're being racist.

They also forget that Hillary was actually doing better in the polls with black people as late as November last year. Then Barack started campaigning and she started opening her mouth.

The more time you give Barack with people, the more they like him. This is a well-documented phenomenon and the opposite appears to be true of Hillary. With people like Gerry at her back that shouldn't be overly surprising.

I can understand the temptation to indulge in believing things without adequately consulting reality for the sake of your candidate but you guys might want to ask whether it isn't making you rather small-minded for liberals.

I can understand the temptation to indulge in believing things without adequately consulting reality for the sake of your candidate but you guys might want to ask whether it isn't making you rather small-minded for liberals.

Or you could stop assuming you know who people are going to vote for (despite their willingness to acknowledge the truth).

I bet you can't name one thing that bothers you about Obama. Could he possibly be the perfect candidate? A politician without fault? Have you found him for us? Thank you so much for your large-minded liberal insight. <rolls eyes>.

Come on, I dare you to name one foible of Obama's. You can't do it can you?

Of course I can. Rezko might be old news that didn't amount to much but it's pretty clear the guy was shady and that he was a patron of Obama's.

Is Obama crystal clean? Hell no. This is the Chicago machine we're talking about. You don't get anywhere without stepping through the same sewer grate as all the rest.

His plan for health care reform is as friendly to the industry as Hillary's is and he's clearly not going to make an effort to put an end to the ludicrous profiteering that's being imposed on the American people's health without some serious congressional pressure which is where I hope Obama supporters can put their energy next.

I don't like that he stops short of pro-gay rights at civil unions rather than marriage and I actually stopped donating to him for a while because of it.

But do I think he's serious about reform and has the transparency and voting record to prove it? Hell yeah.