Well you just can't do that. This is America and even a Shock Jock has a voice. The democrats need to really think about the damage they are allowing to happen in the name of their own party. This is not going to end gracefully as that is not a part of the Clinton makeup. They will fight to the bitter end and take Obama down with them. As good a candidate as he is, all of these smear attacks have the effect of allowing McCain to sit back and sip a latte as the strongest candidate is deminished.

The numbers do not add up for Clinton but that doesn't matter as they are not about numbers, they are about winning even if it becomes the one thing that gets McCain into office. They can't seat Michigan delegates of course since Obama's name was not even on the ballot and Florida has the problem of masses of democrats staying home and not voting as they followed the rules.

So what is left? Well the vicious attack on Obama can continue and allow McCain all the fodder he needs if Obama is indeed the eventual candidate or McCain can do like Rush and pray that Clinton is the candidate.

What democrats do this round will determine whether they are brighter than a shock jock or dumber than a stump.

It is not about votes and voters. It is about power. The Democrats not been controling it for a long time and will do anything to get it back.

The FL/MI scenario makes a mockery out of the 2000 and 2004 indignant Democrats who were soooo upset about the court fights over which votes should count and disenfranchisement. Nobody will take them seriously for a long time. How do you take a revote for someone who was never on the ballot? Do you allow others to now get on the ballot?

Now that the spotlight is starting to hit the Superdelegates, everyone is beginning to wonder what they have to do with the democratic process or if this is more backroom politics as usual for the Democrats.

For a Repugnant to talk about the "backroom politics" of the Democrats is the height of ludicrous hypocrisy.

Seriously. You Repugs had ten years to do it, and you fucked it up royally. Keep whining about the Dems. You had your chance.

if they play games with seating either states delegates or throw the superdelegates to someone other than the winner of the popular vote, they will cause a split in the party from which it will not recover by November.

McCain will win in a walk.

This round it is the republicans looking at a dismal reality. There is no way they can beat Obama so it behoves them to add fuel to the fire. I think you may be wrong in this in terms of doing anything to get it back mainly because it is already there's to lose.

This is different than 2000. Not even close to being similar. This is about one candidate not even being on the ballot and in Florida, this is about voters who didn't vote when following the rules.

There is no way they can beat Obama so it behoves them to add fuel to the fire.

I'm a Dem. I predict McCain will win in November. Don't make too many assumptions about Obama; he is the better candidate, as Hillary will get annhilated in the general election. But I think McCain edges Obama, for better or worse.

The problem is that while this angst is going on McCain is getting a free ride. If indeed Obama can wind this up soon the spotlight will turn to McCain and that is where McCain suffers by comparison. McCain has too many flaws to mend even with time. He can get some of the crossovers if Obama is out of it but he would be hardpressed to garner many if Obama is in it long enough to repair any damage he has encountered in this mess. Add in the general dislike McCain garners from his own party and the only thing that can get him in is their hate for Clinton which seems to be a living breathing thing.

I have a hard time breathing as well as all of this can indeed change if this internal war continues or worse yet, gets uglier.

November is a long, long way down the road. Seven months is an eternity in Presidential politics. Anything can happen to tip the scale either way. The ball is clearly now in the DNCs court. They need to resolve the primaries in a fair above board fashion. No small feat when considering the whole arcain Super Delegate system which will decide this contest. But resolve it they must.

You must be not counting Howard Stern. Or have we all managed to all forget him by now?

Mary:

You might have a point on Michigan; but, only if what you think about Michigan is true. Unfortunately the rhetoric is not true.

Run I think I am correct on both Michigan and Florida. Michigan because Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan, and Florida because if you look at the numbers many stayed home due to the DNC initial decision. Keep in mind that in Florida Democrat voters were down as opposed to ordinarily having more voters than Republicans. It is a problem in either case. As for the rhetoric, as a general rule rhetoric is simply vivid colors surrounding an opinion and you are as right to have your own embellished opinion as I was to paint mine. Spotlighting the obvious with rhetoric doesn't change the problem in any case.

Mary:

Again, I will submit that you do not know what took place in Michigan. In which case your thoughts are speculation. My opinion, as posted, is based upon facts and yours???

Since I only stated that Obama's name was not on the ballot in Michigan I am not sure of what you are searching for. Are you saying I am wrong and his name was on the ballot?

Mary:

Take a moment and read the top post above and find out what took place over the last 7 years between Michigan, the DNC, and the primary. Lets inject a few facts into this for once.

Unpledged delegates are 5% of the Republican delegates but the unpledged delegates for the Democrats is 20%.