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A simple question
by einhverfr
Is the Sermon on the Mount binding for Christians?

predicto has argued on another thread that it is only targetted at the pharisees. If so, is it a road to salvation for non-Christians?

Re: A simple question
by tiponeill

Predicto can also explain to you that there IS no salvation for non-christians.

He's whacko but most of his theology is correct - his disagreements with "mainstream" christianity center around the role of free will

Re: A simple question
by Gthestranger

I’ve heard The Sermon on the Mount referred to as a condensed synopsis of all Christian teachings.

I go with that.

Others see another message apparently, their choice, their prerogative.

Old Dog should consider that there is a little Pharisee in all of us.

G

Re: A simple question
by predicto

Every jot and tittle in the Word of God is binding on the Christians. I like the one: "There is therefore now no condemnation for those of us in Christ Jesus." I'm sticking to it.

Dd

Re: A simple question
by predicto

The Word of God is the Road to Salvation.

If the Sermon on the Mount convicts you of Sin and Righteousness, and if you are led to be inclined to believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, God Almighty, Your Savior as a result of the Sermon on the Mount, then you can bet your bottom dollar you are on the Road to Salvation.

Remember, Salvation is reconciliation with The Father in Heaven through Christ Jesus The Son and Sole Mediator between God and man by virtue of His obedience unto death to His Father and yours in shedding His perfectly innocent blood for the sins of the world, paying the blood ransom for the Elect who are called out of darkness into this wonderful light by the will of The Father Who blesses us. Jesus is God's right hand insofar as the Scripture in Genesis goes that His "Own Right Arm will work Salvation for Me." or words to that effect.

Jesus, The Light of the World is the Bread of Life. Continually feed on Jesus Christ by devouring The Word of God. This way you will grow in God like a strong tree and bear good fruit. Jesus is The Way. Seek Him with all your heart, mind and soul and you will find Him and Abundant Life, and you shall have it to the full.

Dd

Re: A simple question
by predicto

"Predicto can also explain to you that there IS no salvation for non-christians.

=== Until they become Christians. One never knows who will become a Christian unless He is God Who chooses the humble to confound the wise. "Be not wise in your own eyes." ===

He's whacko but most of his theology is correct - his disagreements with "mainstream" christianity center around the role of free will."

=== America was predominately settled by those fleeing religious persecution resultant of the Reformation. Most of these were Calvinist. "Mainstream" (Arminian, as youdescribe) Christianity did not become emergent in America until the Evangelist Wesley in the early 1800s and the millions of papists fleeing famine of the decade preceeding the Civil War. ===

Dd

Re: A simple question
by predicto

I'd have to reread the post. The Sermon was addressed to the Lost sheep of Israel, though. And remember that Israel rejected its Messiah who had come desiring mercy, not sacrifice.

Dd

Re: A simple question
by Nanotech
predicto:

The Word of God is the Road to Salvation.

If the Sermon on the Mount convicts you of Sin and Righteousness, and if you are led to be inclined to believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, God Almighty, Your Savior as a result of the Sermon on the Mount, then you can bet your bottom dollar you are on the Road to Salvation.

Remember, Salvation is reconciliation with The Father in Heaven through Christ Jesus The Son and Sole Mediator between God and man by virtue of His obedience unto death to His Father and yours in shedding His perfectly innocent blood for the sins of the world, paying the blood ransom for the Elect who are called out of darkness into this wonderful light by the will of The Father Who blesses us. Jesus is God's right hand insofar as the Scripture in Genesis goes that His "Own Right Arm will work Salvation for Me." or words to that effect.

Jesus, The Light of the World is the Bread of Life. Continually feed on Jesus Christ by devouring The Word of God. This way you will grow in God like a strong tree and bear good fruit. Jesus is The Way. Seek Him with all your heart, mind and soul and you will find Him and Abundant Life, and you shall have it to the full.

Dd

Good one Dd.

Re: A simple question
by mstawarz
The foundation of all christian religion is that Jesus was the only sone of god and that their is no way to the father but through the son. Anything butthis is up to interpertation of the denominations. Faith in this is what is required of us by God to enter heaven.
Re: A simple question
by Gthestranger

I didn't read the post in question before I posted this post. I then went and read it afterwards and I wouldn't take what Ein apparently took from that post, as your meaning.

I would remind you however that word sword in the Bible is often symbolic of truth. :)

Swords sybolize power, protection, authority, strength, discrimination and the penetrating power of the intellect.Now in considering what umbrella notion all those ideas might be refering to in the minds of men, truth is the only idea I come up with.

G

Re: A simple question
by Nanotech

mstawarz:
The foundation of all christian religion is that Jesus was the only sone of god and that their is no way to the father but through the son. Anything butthis is up to interpertation of the denominations. Faith in this is what is required of us by God to enter heaven.

Even Satan beliefs.

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Below is a list of basic doctrine as require by scripture. Ref:CARM

The Deity of Christ
Jesus is God in flesh (John 8:58 with Exodus 3:14). See also John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8


Salvation by Grace
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast" (Eph. 2:8-9, NIV).


The Resurrection of Christ
"And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith" (1 Cor. 15:14). "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins" (1 Cor. 15:17).

The Gospel
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!" (Gal. 1:8-9, NIV).

Re: A simple question
by einhverfr
But if there is no equivalent for non-Christians, then shouldn't Christians follow the teachings in the Sermon on the Mount?

I guess, if it isn't important to follow those teachings, then why did Christ teach them?

Re: A simple question
by spock
predicto:
The Sermon was addressed to the Lost sheep of Israel, though.

You mean Jesus wasn't speaking to the Christians in Ephesus? Oh that's right, they didn't exist then. So who would you expect to find in Galilee at that time? Galileans? In saying, "Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down his disciples came to him. And he opened his mouth and taught them", it's pretty safe to assume that the sermon has universal application.

Re: A simple question
by tiponeill

The "simple" answer is that they ARE encouraged to follow things like the Sermon on the Mount, but with a huge Catch-22.

The Catch is that "belief" is more important, and whenever there is conflict between charity and belief, belief has to come first.

Ant there is often a conflict - "belief" comes to meant that if you really really "believe" then you believe that every word of the Bible is a commandment of God, and therefor gays should be stoned.

All with "christian love", of course.

Re: A simple question
by Nanotech
tiponeill:

The "simple" answer is that they ARE encouraged to follow things like the Sermon on the Mount, but with a huge Catch-22.

The Catch is that "belief" is more important, and whenever there is conflict between charity and belief, belief has to come first.

Ant there is often a conflict - "belief" comes to meant that if you really really "believe" then you believe that every word of the Bible is a commandment of God, and therefor gays should be stoned.

All with "christian love", of course.

LOL....Now that is a persecution complex, a "victim mentality". I'm trying to remember,nope don't remember hearing about anyone stoning queers.

I have heard the many queers get "stoned" as a way of dealing with their sin.

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