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Dear White Women Over Forty
by doodahman
Reposted from yesterday's TP:

"Hillary Clinton's campaign model," David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist told me this morning in Chicago, "is a very tired Washington model: 'I'll do these things for you.' Barack's model is 'Let's do these things together.' This has been the premise of Barack's politics all his life, going back to his days as a community organizer. He has really lived and breathed it, which is why it comes across so authentically.

"Of course, the time also has to be right for the man and the moment to come together. And, after all the country has been through over the last seven years, the times are definitely right for the message that the only way to get real change is to activate the American people to demand it."

Dear White Women Over Forty:

David Axelrod is right. And I'll go further. Hillary will lose the general election if she takes the nomination because she cannot sustain support among a sufficiently wide set of demographics to beat John "Not The Faith of Your Father's Waterboarding" McCain. Looking at the demographics of the national and state by state polling, it becomes crystal clear.

This is not a race in which each candidate shares a wide range of demographic support. This is basically a race in which one single demographic, white women over forty, are holding out against everybody else. More importantly, Obama has almost two to one support among independents over Clinton. As for Republicrats-- those who've normally voted Republican but who will vote against their party this cycle (plus those not willing to come out to elect John McCain) overwhelmingly support Obama.

To the contrary, Hillary not only loses those voters overwhelmingly, her nomination would electrify the GOPig base and bring them out in droves to vote against her. These are only two of several reasons why Obama is far more likely to beat McCain than Hillary-- which is itself THE reason to support Obama, if nothing else.

It's also easier to see why those Dems who stand against Obama are so adamant and why they think he's just talk and no action. They are the type of Dems that GOPigs and independents rightfully laugh at and deride. They are the ones who think that the government is just going to give them something worthwhile without them having to do anything other than turn a lever every four years. What nonesense.

They don't see Obama accomplishing anything because they have no intention or ability to HELP HIM accomplish anything. You know, like by joining and forming grass roots organizations that can raise money, raise consciousness, and raise the roof when it comes to competing with the corporate lobbyists.

It's ironic, then, when Hillary mocks Obama with over the top descriptions of solutions coming down in a shaft of light from the sky. The fact is, that's exactly what she is selling-- that she will, all by herself, "fight" for change in Washington, and then turn around and bestow her gifts upon us hapless peasants. Uh huh, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

The fact is, without the mass follow up mobilization of the public, there never will be a counterweight to corporate lobbying to actually force the kind of changes we need-- changes that we have yet to reach concensus on and push.

Hillary not only fails to see the necessity of mass mobilization, she cannot achieve it even if she did. She's divisive-- whether that's fair or what she wanted is immaterial. It is what it is. She will have half the country mobilized against her. Obaman, on the other hand, will go a long way to uniting the center-left/progressives and independents. His victory will energize the grassroots, and we will have the possibility of forcing Washington to reform.

If that doesn't happen, then people who say Obama is all talk and no action will be right. But the fault won't be Obama's. It will be our's.

But for now, the only thing standing in the way of our own success (or failure due to laziness and inaction), are Hillary supporters-- that single, stubborn demographic of white women over forty. Normally, I love white women over forty. It was my single most successful demographic in life, come to think about it. It's certainly the demographic I spend most of my time fantasizing about, anyways.

And truth be told, even that demographic is starting to move in the right direction. From 70-30 in favor of Hillary, it's 55-45 and getting better (I'm going from memory here-- if these numbers are wrong, I'm interested in what the real ones are).

And, you know deep down in your hearts that Obama is right about one thing-- if there is going to be real change, it's only if the people come together and fight for it with an ally in the White House. It won't come down from on High. You know it. You must know it because you never got anywhere without working for it together as a team.

So come on ladies. In this fight, you have to think outside the box (no pun intended), and look at things from a more objective view. I didn't pick Obama as my first or even second choice. I fell into line when I saw how the other segments of the center/left/progressives moved, and I gave up my choices for the good of the whole.

Ya'll ought to do the same.

If you do, I'll give you a foot massage!

xo

dood

Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by mercadia
Do you think white women over 40 read the Fray?
Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by doodahman

mercadia:
Do you think white women over 40 read the Fray?

After posting it yesterday and reading the responses, I was wondering if there were any women on the Fray under 60.

Not that 60 ain't sexy.

I'm just sayin'.......

Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by eg4190

Your rational arguments will do little to sway white women over 40, and you should know that if you've ever had any experience with one. Frankly, I'm surprised so many of them are voting for Obama, because if Hillary owned their vote like Obama owns the black vote, this race would've ended on February 5.

The problem here is that Hillary's story hits very close to home with older women voters. Most of them can relate in some way to working their ass off and putting up with lots of shit, only to get upstaged and passed over for a young male hotshot with less experience and better social skills. I think a lot of women can't get over that narrative, because the alternative explanation -- that Obama really is qualified and capable -- is exactly the story they've had to accept in their professional lives after they (or a girlfriend or female colleague) didn't get the job. Many of them may be resigned to that negative outcome as a fact of life. But they aren't going to pull a lever and help make it happen.

Ironically, since Hillary has basically been mathematically eliminated for all practical purposes, white women over 40 are merely prolonging Hillary's suffering and public humiliation by dragging this thing out.

Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by doodahman
eg4190:

Ironically, since Hillary has basically been mathematically eliminated for all practical purposes, white women over 40 are merely prolonging Hillary's suffering and public humiliation by dragging this thing out.

Well, that's exactly right, hence my plea. As for relying on mere rational argument, I agree, hence my offer of a foot massage.

You can't blame them for wanting Hillary over Obama, regardless of what others think of Hillary. But you can blame them for standing in front of a freight train after it leaves the station and forcing it to put on the emergency brakes, and perhaps even derail.

Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by Anywhere

Do you think white women over 40 read the Fray?

Yes.

Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by brownapril
Count me as one white woman over forty who already plans to vote for Obama. I can't possibly be a Hillary supporter. I fail to see how she appeals to women who think of themselves as feminists. I just don't get that from her. And then there's the elitist attitude of hers that lurks just beneath the surface when she's talking about her proposals to help the working class. She rubs me the wrong way. She always has and always will. I'm not saying she isn't a smart, successful woman. I'm just saying I question her motives and her means. She does not in any way represent who I am or how I perceive my place in the world. So, it's Obama for me. I will be happy to vote for a woman candidate when we have the right woman candidate.
Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by mercadia

brownapril:
Count me as one white woman over forty who already plans to vote for Obama. I can't possibly be a Hillary supporter. I fail to see how she appeals to women who think of themselves as feminists. I just don't get that from her. And then there's the elitist attitude of hers that lurks just beneath the surface when she's talking about her proposals to help the working class. She rubs me the wrong way. She always has and always will. I'm not saying she isn't a smart, successful woman. I'm just saying I question her motives and her means. She does not in any way represent who I am or how I perceive my place in the world. So, it's Obama for me. I will be happy to vote for a woman candidate when we have the right woman candidate.

What elitist attitude are you speaking of?

What kind of sinister motives do you think she has?

And why wouldn't she appeal to feminists?

What kind of woman would you imagine being the right kind of President?

Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by doodahman
mercadia:

brownapril:
Count me as one white woman over forty who already plans to vote for Obama. I can't possibly be a Hillary supporter. I fail to see how she appeals to women who think of themselves as feminists. I just don't get that from her. And then there's the elitist attitude of hers that lurks just beneath the surface when she's talking about her proposals to help the working class. She rubs me the wrong way. She always has and always will. I'm not saying she isn't a smart, successful woman. I'm just saying I question her motives and her means. She does not in any way represent who I am or how I perceive my place in the world. So, it's Obama for me. I will be happy to vote for a woman candidate when we have the right woman candidate.

What elitist attitude are you speaking of?

What kind of sinister motives do you think she has?

And why wouldn't she appeal to feminists?

What kind of woman would you imagine being the right kind of President?

Are you still here? The place closed three days ago. Go home.

Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by run75441

dood:

still waiting for the underlying credibility and foundation to spew forth from Obama. I am not sold on the numerics of his candidacy.

Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by doodahman
run75441:

dood:

still waiting for the underlying credibility and foundation to spew forth from Obama. I am not sold on the numerics of his candidacy.

That's logical, except I fear that if we wait around for those kinds of specifics, we'll never change.

Let's see how he handles himself in the general.

Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by run75441

dood:

I hope they are right. Even though Kerry was an idiot, I could back him on his stance. I am having a tougher time doing this on Obama. Healthcare and healthcare insurance is one of those issues.

Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by mercadia
Dood,

The door has closed? If we wait around for specifics, we'll never change?

What do either of those statements mean?
Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by doodahman

mercadia:
Dood, The door has closed? If we wait around for specifics, we'll never change? What do either of those statements mean?

They mean anything that will trigger another embarrassing tirade from you.

Re: Dear White Women Over Forty
by mercadia
Oh, I assumed those statements meant that you say ridiculous things that you can't really explain, and that, in turn, imply you have no capability for rational thought and just parrot meaningless things that you pick up from random sources.

You proved me wrong on that one.
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