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"Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by Mactosh
Christopher Hitchens fully approves KLA mass murder, slavery and genocide. By proxy this qualifies him a supporter of Ustashi and, in turn, the Nazi occupiers of WWII. Not to mention Bin Laden's participation.
Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by middleview

Got any sources for your allegations of KLA mass murder, slavery or genocide or Bin Laden's participation in anything going on in Kosovo?

We already know about the crimes of the Serbs and the reasons why the people of Kosovo would not wish to remain part of Serbia. If Washington ordered troops into cities and towns in the US and murdered thousands, would we expect to see another rebellion?

Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by Mactosh

What are your sources? Their is nothing to back any of that up less than 3 thousand bodies were found Kosovo and that includes all ethnicities. The KLA particularly targeted Gypsies as well as Jews. See Daniel Pearl WSJ 12-31-1999, "War in Kosovo was Cruel, Bitter, Savage; Genocide It Wasn't".

Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by middleview

We bombed the Serbs before they got started in Kosovo.

We stood back and watched as the Serbs killed thousands in Bosnia.....

Why would Kosovo have been any different if we hadn't intervened?

Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by KosovoJustice

Let me tell you why:

www.KosovoLiberationArmy.com (URL: <link> )

After this web site, think twice before saying that you "did good" about bombing Serbia.

Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by middleview

The Serbs should have been bombed before they were allowed to take Sebrenicia. You have pictures of people killed by Nato bombs, as if that is proof of anything. How many Serbs were killed by Nato air attacks?

I noticed that your web site doesn't have any information about the camps that the Serbs ran.

I was looking for a link on crimes committed against the people of Bosnia, but it seems that it was only the Bosnians picking on the poor Serbs.

Do you actually think that this would convince me that the Serbs didn't deserve what they got? My regret is that we didn't attack sooner. Go find a web site on the mass graves that the UN is digging up.....then tell me that the Serbs were innocent.

If you do a google search for "mass graves" and Bosnia you will find a lot of sources. Pick one you find credible. One UN site says that they have found 250 mass graves with over 12,000 civilians killed by the Serbs. They continue to hide Radic and others. Feel sorry for them if you like....I do not.

Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by KosovoJustice
read the introduction of that web site before you start typing....
Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by KosovoJustice

Also go through KLA crimes and read list of people KLA killed in 99' (available at testimonies section).

UN found around 4000 dead bodies till the date, among half of them were Serbs, half Albanians.

KLA leader Hashim Thaqi confessed in 2001 that KLA tactic was using human shields (Albanians) to increase number of civil deaths, and use that to create this "ethnic cleansing of Albanians by Serbs" image.

Take a look at documents / photos dating from 80' or 41-45.

The same Albanian extremists that did that live today and operate in Kosovo or help KLA to do its dirty business.

If you are able to say "that the Serbs deserve what they got" just tells me that you have problem with facing truth or even hate Serbs as a nation and like the idea of convicting entire nation for crimes of perpetrators.

In introduction on that web site clearly says it was not intended to deny any Bosnian Muslim, Croat or Albanian victims killed by Serb extremist - if you want to find about that go ahead and google it.

The web site cleary says: Serbian side of story.

Albanian side could be heard anywhere you look - they lobbied everything they could in US and UK....

So don't sell that crap like "I was looking for Serb crimes" because as you just said: you can find "proofs" everywhere.

This site is for people that want to know about ALBANIAN crimes, that apparently does not exist in international media...

So here it is.


Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by KosovoJustice

@ middleview

Your comment: "You have pictures of people killed by Nato bombs, as if that is proof of anything. How many Serbs were killed by Nato air attacks?"

Jesus, man, you are a fascist! Serbia is country of many nations, does victims that are not Serbs do not count?

Pictures of victims killed by Nato are proof of war crime. Killing civilians is a crime, by any international law.

But if you are willing, numbers are around 1200 soldiers, around 3000 civilians, among which around 300 kids. That is Nato's score.

This includes Albanian refugee column that was bombed 3 times by Nato aircraft, no survivors.

Also includes civil train destroyed on the bridge, around 55 people killed, and about 100 injured.

Also includes several civil buses, blown up by nearby Nato bomb explosion.

Also includes 12 journalists from national TV station, bombed in the center of Belgrade.

Also includes victims in hospital "Dragisa Misovic", the biggest clinic and hospital center in Balkans, with at least 3 buildings leveled to the ground.

Incomplete list of victims of NATO bombing will be released on this web site in a day or two.

NATO didn't have UN resolution to execute this military action - thus this action even if there would be no casualties, is a war crime.


And there are A LOT of civil casualties.

Photos on the web site www.KosovoLiberationArmy.com are just piece of what is done.

Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by middleview

I can find no unbiased account of more than a few hundred Serb casualties during the Nato bombing campaign.

1. The serbs had an army at the outset of the breakup of Yugoslavia. The Croatians and the Bosnians were largely unarmed.

2. The Serbian army is the one that first attacked the Croatians then the Bosnians and then the Albanian majority in Kosovo.

3. You show dead bodies, but there is no proof that the dead bodies are, in fact, Serbs....the only thing you can tell is that they are dead.

4. I did read the opening page of your link. I restated that disclaimer in my reply for a reason.

Ratco Mladic and others should be turned over to the Hague if they are innocent. Let them clear their names in court....if they are innocent. That, of course, won't happen.

You guys want to bring up centuries old grudges and those just don't matter to me. I don't care what happened when the "Turks" invaded....it is much like people now, in the US, who want to be paid for the fact that their ancestors in 1850 were slaves......

Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by KosovoJustice

1. Not true. JNA or Yugoslavian National Army was army of all nations, Serbs,Croats, Muslims from Bosnia, Macedonians, Slovenians, Hungarians etc. JNA was not Serbian army in the time of Yugoslavia breakup.

2. Not true. Take a look at the confession of Bosnian Muslim, who was in Croatian Ustasa death-squads in 1991: <link>

That confession shows not just they were armed but that they have had orders from the Croatian government to ethnically clean Serbs from Croatia.

3. Those photos are taken from police reports from 1999. and are victims of NATO bombing. You may say whatever you want.

If you want to have a list of names and other personal data of people killed by NATO bombs, look for "White Book of NATO victims" (part 1 and part 2) on line. There are web sites you can order it.

4. If you did read it, you would see that web site shows crimes against Serbs since all over internet you cannot find such information. You said yourself you found only few hundreds of victims, but fact is there were a lot more than that. So that's why this web site is on. To show victims that are not shown on other websites.

Reasons of Ratko Mladic (not Ratco) not being in Hague may be other than just "he is running away" - maybe he is already dead? I have no idea how he could hide from CIA and other secret services that are interested in him... unless he is 6 feet under.

I am not bringing any century-old-grudge. Take a look at KLA Crimes again. I am bringing up Albanian extremism on Kosovo and Metohia that took part in 80' and 90'. You simply ignore that in 80' they were terrorizing all non-Albanian population even you can see that bombing of churches, raping of women and killing was done in 80' as well as earlier in 41'-48'... Same thing as they did in 99' or March 17th 2004... same tactic, same actions... so If you still believe that that should be the way to get independent state - man, what else I can tell you....

If you do not care what happened before then based on what you believe you have credibility to determine what should be done today and what should be the future of Kosovo and Serbia? Murders are never cold cases, if you killed someone 50 years ago you will still go to prison if you got caught.

I ask for justice for all victims of KLA criminals and terrorists - for all still missing abducted non-Albanians (around 1,200 Serbs is still missing).

You paint everything black-and-white....


Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by middleview

Serbia has conducted wars against Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. The federal army was largely Serb. How many tanks, planes and artillery pieces did the Croatians, Bosnians or Kosovars have? The answer is not much. The Serbs quickly controlled 1/3rd of Croatia after the declaration of independence in June of 91.

I have never said that there the only crimes were committed by Serbs. I do think that Serbia is guilty of the worst offenses. The massacre at Sebrenicia was not something you can defend. Many of the pro-Serb sites say that Nato or US forces bombed them in 1991 and blame Bill Clinton. In the first place, Bill Clinton wasn't president until 1993. In the second, it seems that only the Serbs knew about this....I tend to think it impossible for the US to keep such attacks secret.

It is my belief that if the Serbs had been left to continue in Kosovo, far more deaths would have happened....your photos do not disprove that opinion.

Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by KosovoJustice

Not true. Federal army was equally filled with all nationalities. I know since I was there. So no BS about that.

Croatians did have lots of tanks, as well as Bosnian Muslims, from JNA barracks they took over. In the confession of Ustasa from 1991 you can see that. He says: "30 of us would walk slowly 50m behind the tank and would clean everything after him.." - Croatian tank.

Serbia never invaded Croatia. Croatians fought against Serbs in Croatia - in 1991 around 30% of population in Croatia were ethnic Serbs. And Croatians simply continued what they stopped in '45. Ethnic cleansing of Serbs.

Yes, Serbs controlled 1/3 of Croatia, because they were 30% of population there! Do not mix Serbs from Serbia. That's nonsense.

There were a lot of other Srebrenica's were Serbs were killed too. Bring those up. Serbia didn't declared the war to Croatia neither it's troops crossed the border. Serbia did help Serbs in Croatia with arms and equipment, so did Germany, Austria and Hungary with Croatians.

Read what Canadian soldiers said about Operation Storm and US troops involved in - that "operation" was ethnic cleansing. And US troops were part of it. That is sad but true.

If NATO didn't chose to help KLA and terrorist ideas, there would be a lot less deaths. NATO bombing increased num. of victims 10x.

My photos are for everyone that want to listen and see the other side of the story.

Obviously you are not willing - I understand - it is impossible for such Serb-hater to admit you are wrong.


Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by middleview

Why would I hate Serbs? I hate people like Ratko Mladic, and Radovan Karadžić. I think you are not willing to admit that your countrymen slaughtered innocent people. The International Court in the Hague has said that Srebrenicia was the largest mass murder in Europe since World War II.

Explain how it is that all of the western press is against you. All of the stories are of the murder of unarmed people at the hands of Serbs. Why is that?

The Croats decided to create their own country. The Serb minority decided to seceed. You say that the JNA was evenly divided between the various ethnic groups. That isn't what I've read. It was the Croat police force that the JNA fought against. The JNA had 2,000 tanks and 300 aircraft. In 1991 the Croat army had 20 brigades.....armed with WWII guns and a handful of t-34s. Their air force was a couple of AN-2 biplanes.

You say that the JNA never invaded Croatia...

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Pay special attention to the map that shows the advance of the JNA.

Was it Serb militia that was engaged at the battle for Dalmatia or the JNA?

<link>

You were there, but it is hard to see you as an objective source of information.

Re: "Kosova" Proves Terrorism Works
by KosovoJustice

As already said on www.KosovoLiberationArmy.com introduction text, it is not intended to deny any crime done by Bosnian Serbs or Serbs in Croatia or Serbs from south Serbia.

So for any proven crime, I'm all for it to arrest perpetrators and convict them.

Where did you get that?

The fact that western press tells stories only about Serbs killing someone and not the other way around is proof of propaganda. Press that shows only one side is not press. Just bunch of propaganda material. You know that.

What ever you read about subdivision of JNA, I can tell you this: Soldiers serving the army in that time (ex. 80') would likely serve in a Republic other than their own. Meaning, Croats would serve in Slovenia, Bosnia or Serbia, Slovenians in Croatia or Serbia, Croats in Serbia or Slovenia or Bosnia etc. So, that is the only reason why in the time of break most of Serbs serving the army were in Croatia. But this was custom since JNA was formed, to strenghten "friendship among people".

JNA could not invade Croatia - they got recognized independency in 1992 and NOT in 1991 - so JNA was still on it's own soil.

For Dalmatia was full of Serb population at that time. More than in Slavonia, which was mostly Catholic region.

Dalmatia, especially around border with Bosnia had almost pure Serbian population, for centuries.

So only Croats could attack them, not the other way around.

I am just source of information - it is up to others to make their own judgment.

As for you - whatever you want to believe in - just do it - it won't change the truth what Croats and Bosnian Muslims did neither will erase their crimes.



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