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obama and catholics
by kandrewf

comparing the death penalty and abortion can't be made without comparing the number of people on death row vs. the number of abortions, not even in the same ball park. Millions of abortions have taken place since Row vs. Wade. A few hundred people have been executed. If a Catholic who is against abortion votes for Obama they can be sure he won't put someone on the court who would rule to overturn Row vs. Wade.

Regardless of why we got into Iraq it is a real problem that must be solved. McCain is clearly the best person to do so.

Abortion vs war.
by Tundrayeti

McCain is one of the bigger reasons we got into Iraq (Hillary is as well). The love of life should extend to all humanity, not just those born (or arguably concieved) in America.

Choosing war as anything other than an absolute last option is a slap in the face to anyone that considers life valuable. The invasion of Iraq is estimated to result in the destruction of ~1 million human lives, and that's if the civil war doesn't spread. Supporting this causeless war shows any rhetoric about "loving life" to be completely empty.

McCain merely promises to continue this war, he doesn't offer a solution. A solution is going to have to involve TALKING to other countries and comming to a COMPROMISE. That's what international relations are all about... Not just attacking people without provocation because you don't like them.

Respect for life and health care
by pwoxby
It is a national disgrace that America has the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world. It is not a coincidence that America also has the most inequitable health care system in the industrialized world. Respect for life should mean health care access for all.
abortion and capital punishment
by MilesSmiles
Liberal Catholics are often accused of being "cafeteria Catholics," picking and choosing only those aspects of doctrine that suit their own pre-existing beliefs. What about right-wing Catholics (up to and including some American bishops) who persist, in the face of opposition from the Pope and the hierarchy, in their support of capital punishment and wars of choice like Iraq? If you believe in a litmus test for Catholic voters, you must include in that litmus test adherence to all of the Church's teachings across the board, not just those which appear in the Republican Party platform. Unless maybe you pray to Saints Francisco Franco and Joe McCarthy.
Re: obama and catholics
by LisaN
It's more than abortion that is keeping this Catholic girl from voting for Barack Obama. Look at the Infant Alive Protection Act that he alone voted NO against in the Illinois State Senate. The Cafeteria Is Closed: Heart of Darkness Barack Obama would have babies born alive live for hours without medical care until they died alone on a table in aholding room. Inhumane. That is why he will NEVER get my vote.
Re: obama and catholics
by thewolf05827

Do you actually expect any reasonable person to read beyond "Barack Obama is a seemingly benevolent, smiley-face totalitarian/pseudo-Messiah/Pi­ed Piper. In his world, government permeates everything, promises everything, resulting in embarrassing mass hysteria, grown men getting the vapors, and unrealistic expectations of quasi-salvation?"

Re: obama and catholics
by middleview

McCain, who seems to think staying there for a hundred years would be ok, if there aren't a lot of casualties, just told the terrorists that the way to change his mind is to kill a lot of Americans.

McCain won't solve Iraq or any other problem. His temper has already been the reason that congressmen of his own party won't talk to him.

Worm05827 and fertilizer
by middleview
Thanks for contributing. Your gibberish is always so enlightening....."smiley face totalitarian"...what fuckin' nonsense.
Re: obama and catholics
by Tricia74
Not only does he want these infants that are born alive not given any medical attention, least they survive, but this also includes any pain killing drugs. So not only are these poor innocent HUMAN BEINGS left to die in such an inhumane way they don't even get to receive pain medicine....this is beyond cruelty, this is intrinsically evil and to think that my tax dollars are used in institutions like Planned Parenthood to facilitate abortions (infant homicide, lets call a spade a spade people!) makes me ill.
Re: obama and catholics
by AllThatJazz

Tricia74:
Not only does he want these infants that are born alive not given any medical attention, least they survive, but this also includes any pain killing drugs. So not only are these poor innocent HUMAN BEINGS left to die in such an inhumane way they don't even get to receive pain medicine....this is beyond cruelty, this is intrinsically evil and to think that my tax dollars are used in institutions like Planned Parenthood to facilitate abortions (infant homicide, lets call a spade a spade people!) makes me ill.

Yeah, let's support McCain instead, because he only likes to torture adults! Dumbass.

Re: obama and catholics
by middleview
He didn't vote against it. He abstained.
Re: obama and catholics
by scecil

I believe the number of convicted murderers executed in the US in 2007 was 42, the number of innocent babies murdered via abortion annually in the US is annually 1.3 million.

Kmiec is a propagandist. Unfortunately it worked along with the similar nonsensne supplied by faux-Catholic websites produced by George Soros. 54% of Catholics voted for Obama. The truth about Obama is clearly outlined in this article: <link>

Re: obama and catholics
by candoxx

Love life? Hardly. Its something else you all love.

Every day, our media points out how many Ameircans and "coalition forces" are dead in Iraq, but never how many Iraqis were killed or hurt or made homeless.

Evidently, they do not count.

Re: obama and catholics
by momdeyo
The reason he didn't support the Born-Alive bill is because there was already a similar bill on the books, had been for 20 years. The bill also contained language that would later be used to challenge Roe v Wade. It was not a pro-life bill, it wouldn't save lives not already being saved, it was an attempt to label its opponents as baby-killers, and a sneeky attempt to get at the courts. I'm pro-life, but I'm not sneeky pro-life.
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