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No figurative usage? Not so fast.
by pasunejen

This statement immediately struck me as suspect. Or, actually, just plain wrong: I and many people I know use both "pimp out" and "whore out" figuratively all the time. If anything I think Shuster chose the wrong bit of slang there; what he wanted was "whore out", and taking that as his meaning, I truly do not see anything all that wrong with it as a description of (Shuster's opinion of) the situation. A bit too informal for the context in which it was uttered, maybe, but not objectionable.

To support my point, I did a quick google search on whore out (other research ongoing, because this is really bugging me), and among other things found a blog post, "They whored out the baby" that provides a pretty spot-on illustration: <link>

While the Spears family has done some pretty messed up things, I don't think they're planning to actually prostitute the baby--and I'd suspect anyone who interpreted that title as such of extreme willfulness.

Re: No figurative usage? Not so fast.
by ellamenta
Nobody is saying that figurative usage of the term doesn't exist. What they are saying, and what I am sure you realize, is that there is a great deal more informality in blog postings than on national television, even cable. A program that purports to be a news show should not be using crude slang to describe the actions of a major presidential candidate. And finding the same usage in a blog does not constitute evidence that it is acceptable in a more formal setting. Your argument is deliberately disingenuous.
Re: No figurative usage? Not so fast.
by marcus parrish
Excellent point
Re: No figurative usage? Not so fast.
by pasunejen

"Indeed, it's not hard to find casual uses of pimp by mainstream journalists who hope to sound fresh and young. But pimp out, Shuster's term, has not had a similar progression. Though there are examples of pimp out from the 18th century, the expression was very rare before the 1980s, and its meaning has almost always been literal. There is no real figurative use for pimp out, which may help explain why Shuster's phrasing sounds so objectionable. The problem was not his word choice (though whore out would probably have been worse), but the idea his words expressed: that Hillary was prostituting her child."

This is what I was reacting to. In rereading, maybe I extended the author's meaning a bit beyond what was intended, but not that far. And again--I really don't consider this usage to be crude. Inappropriate for TV journalism, almost definitely, but only because it's extremely informal.

Re: No figurative usage? Not so fast.
by lostboy
Pasunejen's first post is dead on, and is exactly the reaction I had.

[Quote=Jesse Sheidlower]
The verb to prostitute has a figurative meaning—"to sacrifice or debase for some profit or advantage"—that has been common since the late 16th century, and it seems possible that to pimp out could take on similar tones.


"Seems Possible"? "Could take on"?

I give Sheidlower some slight credit for seeing out the open door from the verb's literal meaning. He failed to notice, though, that the cows have long since gone, disappeared over the hill, and mailed back their change-of-address cards.

Maybe Sheidlower's mistake was to focus only on mainstream journalism? Outside of the "make blingy" sense of Pimp my Ride, figurative use of "pimp out" is nowhere to be found in published articles at the WaPo, NYT, or LAT. Check the reader comments on those papers' sites, though, (especially for news articles on the TV show Kid Nation) and you'll find numerous examples of the "for profit" figurative use.
Re: No figurative usage? Not so fast.
by Dr. No

A pop-culture use no one's commented on so far is within the medical micro-cosm. Among medical students, interns, and residents, "to pimp" means that an authority figure (an attending physician, fellow, or senior resident) continuously questions an underling (med student, intern, or junior) until s/he reaches the extent of the pimpee's knowledge on the topic. Customarily, this is done in a public setting (e.g. "rounds", where multiple other people are present), and in the most exploitative instances, consists of questions that are esoteric and/or only tertially related to the situation at hand. Cf article in JAMA about "the art of pimping".

As in the traditional definition of a pimp, this activity is an expression of dominance and/or power.

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