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Her Firewall states have already voted
by cridge

Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, and California are the large states that she won by large margins. The margins just weren't large enough. Obama won many more smaller states by larger margins. Clinton could win Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Texas by 15 points, but that would probably cut Oboma's lead by half. It isn't that the states left over in February favor Obama it's that the res of the calender leans in his favor.

Hillary needed to win big on super Tuesday and by all accounts it was a tie. Now she is left with three stopgap states that are just not big enough to erase Barack's lead.

The key in a delegate race is margin of victory and that is where Obama is building his advantage.

Hillary will most likely make a strong push, but it is most likely too late for her to win the pledged delegate race.

Time to start sending Valentines to the Superdelegates!

That goes for both of them
by mithros

Even if Barack wins every single state from now on, and even if he wins them with the kind of margins he won Louisiana, he won't be able to secure the nomination without super delegates. With the proportional awarding, it's just not mathematically possible.

Likewise, it's unlikely that Hillary will make up her deficit in pledged delegates.

The race is now only about the super delegates. The individual races merely provide data for them to make up their minds.

Re: That goes for both of them
by moloko5

It's hard to see how Clinton wins this, unless something changes in the voting pattern. Even if she takes the big three, it is unlikely she'll have a pledged delegate or popular vote majority. I find it hard to believe that more than half of the super delegates would want to be seen as thwarting the will of the people - it would be too divisive a move and really hurt Democrats chances up and down the ballot come November. She may be able to sway some superdelegates with backroom shenannigans, but more than half? Unlikely. I suspect the closer this gets to the end, and as long as Obama has a large enough delegate lead, we will see more and more super delegates siding with him publically, enough for him to get to the magic 2025. Her only chance is to make it a virtual tie in pledged delegates, in which case, she is likely to be able to outmanuever Obama for the super delegates. A virtual tie means she has to not only win Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania, but also decrease Obama's margins in places like Virginia, North Carolina and Mississippi. Winning at least some of Wisconsin, Kentucky, West Virginia, etc. is vital too, or some kind of blowout in the big three. It isn't over yet, true, but from where I'm sitting, the voting patterns need to change in her favor

Re: That goes for both of them
by tjcerveza
If Senator Obama keeps winning, and the Super Delegates steal it for the Clinton's, it will be a travesty. I, and many others will be so pissed, staying home in November will be the only option. Unless of course Ralph Nader runs again. I'll definetly make a statement vote, rather then play into racist back room politics. If Clinton is going to be the candidate, she needs to win it fairly, and not some brokered theft.
Clinton *can* win no matter what
by mithros

If she's willing to go to any lengths to win, she can win the nomination of the Democratic party... or whatever is left of it. Intentional or not, both Obama and Clinton are stuck in a game of chicken of which neither can quit.

Finish all of the primaries and then the senator with the fewest pledged delegates should concede... Then again, I kind of like the idea of a three party system.

Re: Her Firewall states have already voted
by cloudy
cridge:

Clinton could win Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Texas by 15 points, but that would probably cut Oboma's lead by half.

Where are you getting your numbers? After Super Tuesday Clinton had a slight lead. Obama now has a slight lead but it's essentially tied, and that's before Florida comes into play (I'm not even going to touch Michigan).

You're including superdelegates
by mithros

in your numbers. Hillary has a lead of nearly 100 super delegates. Among the delegates that were earned through votes, aka pledged delegates, Obama has an 80 delegate margin.

We still don't know who won super Tuesday because all of the delegates have not yet been awarded. For the first few days, it looked like Obama won super Tuesday by a couple of delegates (couple being less than 10). Now it looks like it was essentially a tie or perhaps HRC won by a delegate or two.

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