I am a mother of a 10 year wonderfull boy, whom has been dx with mercury poisoning and autism along with a handfull of other dx. We know where the mercury came from. Fact mercury is in vaccines. Fact my son has tested positive for mercury. Fact my son displays signs of mercury toxicity. Fact we pulled the lot #'s from the vaccines. Fact mercury caused our sons "autism". Whatever you call it autism, aspergers, ADD, ADHD, Minamata, its mercury poisoning. Our government needs to take responsiblity. Learn from history so we can stop repeating it. "Autism" never had to happen.

I wondered how long it would take for a "true believer" to post. Your onscreen name says it all. All the scientific proof in the world won't change your mind so discussion is pointless. Also, autism/Asperger's is not the same as ADD/ADHD and there is a pretty strong genetic corrolation in the later.

I am glad your son is doing well.

Thimersol (and all other Hg-containing preservatives) have been removed from vaccines. Autism cases not only continue to occur, they are rising. What more needs to be said? Mercury (Hg) in vaccines did not cause autism. Now, that doesn't mean that the active or some other inactive ingredient in a vaccine could be to blame. (Vaccines are biologically powerful, that why we use them.) However, its not the mercury.

The chemical form of Hg has an enormous effect on its toxicity. Simply knowing the concentration of total Hg tells you nothing. Its no surprise that after injecting a child with a vaccine that contains a mercury-based preservative that his her or her blood concentrations of Hg would rise. But, that doesn't mean that the form of Hg in the blood was dangerous or caused the patient's autism.

Thimersol was used in contact lens solutions for many years. It didn't cause Hg poisoning in the millions of its users in that case. Another use of Hg is in fillings. Unless you are cavity free, your mouth is filled with both Hg and silver, both of which are toxic in certain forms and harmless in other forms.

"Signs of Hg poisoning" is just very, very vague. "Fact" lots of things, autism included, have the same symptoms as Hg poisoning.

Honestly, I really feel for you. I can imagine how sad it would be to have a child afflicted with this disease. However, plenty of very good, agenda free, scientists and doctors have looked at this issue and decided that autism is not caused by the Hg that used to be used in vaccines. Personally, I suggest you focus on real, effective behavioral therapy for your child's symptoms and supporting the real, legitimate scientific efforts to understand, prevent, and treat this disease.

Finally, I wish I was wrong. If all autism was just a case of Hg poisoning, we could cure the disease tomorrow. In fact, it would already be cured, since Hg has been removed from vaccines.

First off, its irrelavant that you believe thimersol has been taken out of vaccines or not. My son is 10 years old not 4. When he received his vaccinations thimersol was still being used as the preservative. By the way, thimersol is still in all flu vaccines. Not some, but all. It's amazing that I've had doctors that have told me that my son displays sign of mercury toxicity and has benifit from treatment, yet I have people like you that think I'm wasting his time. Long story short, for you and anyone else out there "feeling sorry for us", don't waste your time. My son is doing just fine despite the odds being stacked against him. By odds I mean lack of "true" professionals treating him medically, the government not being responsible and people who are so use to following the last guy they don't take time to look at whats really happening. Let me see if I can paint a better picture for you. When your child test positive for seizures, losses his first permanent tooth, is told at the age of 3 from the speech pathologist that she can't help you, has outburst, nerve damage to his limbs, an abnormal gait, digestive issues, night terrors, sensory overload................I could go on. The "fact" is this matters as much to you as it did to the Chisso chemical factory when they poisoned over 2400 people in the the 1950's. Labeling their people with Minamata disease, the mysterious disease that displayed the same signs of "autism", the other mysterious epidemic. Your right their are lots of other diseases that have the same symptoms of mercury poisoning. Its hard to find people that have never had a vaccine, hg filling, or contaminated seafood.

I hope you understand that the rate of "autism" is 1 in every 150 children. However its only 1 in 15,000 in the Amish community. This is not a mystery, this is not autism. It is mercury poisoning.

"If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough, and often enough, the people will believe it." - Adolph Hitler

If your kid has seen improvement from treatment, but them relapses after treatment there is another source of mercury other than vaccines affecting him. Do you live near a coal fired power plant? Biggest outputs of mercury in the US.

If mercury in vaccines was to blame, why isn't my generation (Xers) beset with Autism reated like 1 in 150?

The whole mercury in vaccines Autism link is bunk.

More likely phthlates and other chemicals that have seen an increase in used over the last 25 years.

I think anyone that doesn't get vaccinated, but then is the Typhoid Mary of a new outbreak (like that 16 yr old who was never vaccinated but then went to a Romanian orphanage and brought back measles) shoudl be tried and convicted as a bio-terrorist.

By the way, thimersol is still in all flu vaccines. Not some, but all.

Not according to this:

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vaccines + HG = autism:

Please explain how autism rates continue to rise and yet the standard vaccination protocol (read: MMR and others) no longer contains thimersol or mercury?

This isn't to say that early childhood exposure to mercury doesn't increase the likely of developing autism, that may be true, but if the above is correct then doesn't it suggest a second source of mercury exposure? Perhaps environmental?

My son does not relasp after treatment. My son just has some areas that we have not been able to help him with much. Like his hands, wrist, feet, and upper body strength. However we've seen many gains from treatment for example my son speaks now. He went from having words at the age of 15 months, to nonsense and then by the time he was 24 months old he was mute. He was mute until he was 5 5 1/2 years old. Today he is 10 and he wont be quite. He does not speak like other 10 years old but he does speak and his speech is appropriate. Speech is not the only gain we've seen from treatment. My son has eyecontact and no more night terrors. He's was also retested last year and is displaying no more seizure activity. My son doesn't mind me touching him and giving him a hug. He tells me that he loves me and gives me kisses and hugs daily. You can't possible imagine the importance of everything I just mentioned. Unless you have a child that is like mine you'll never know the importance.

Never once did I say vaccines don't save lives or that I don't believe in vaccinating a child. I've been very clear. I have one kid and will never have another. The point your missing is people shouldn't have to go without vaccines to be mercury free. You think coal fire power plants are bad yet you are for certain that vaccines don't cause "autism." Never once does it occur to you that if I have mercury poisoning myself from whatever, mercury containminated fish, hg fillings.... that maybe my son would be a prime candidate for mercury poisoning and then we inject hg in to him as well. When does it end. This is why "autism" is on the rise. Each generation is more toxic than the next.

Like I've already mentioned its hard to find someone who has not had a vaccine, hg filling, or contaminated seafood. This would suggest that I do believe theres other things that can cause mercury poisoning. I don't get you guys that keep posting you seem to think "autism" could be mercury poisoning, just not from vaccines which so happen to have/had mercury in them.

I don't need to look at a chart that would tell me which vaccines today have hg or don't. You need to understand just because they claim that the "new' vaccines don't contain HG doesn't mean they took all the old batches and throw them away. I know when my son got his vaccinations that he got to much mercury. Once again I have pulled the lot #'s, I know.

vaccines + HG = autism:

1) The only way to conclusively prove that the mercury exposure in outdated vaccines causes autism would be to determine that a vaccinated/autistic child had no other mercury exposure outside that administered in the vaccine. Given that autism diagnosis rates have not decreased since mercury was eliminated from vaccine production the link between thimersol and autism becomes unlikely; imho. However, in the absence of child development mercury toxicity data (read: how much mercury is in a vaccine and how much is required [by body weight] for a child to develop autism?) it is a possibility that given the right genetic predisposition that a child vaccinated with sufficient toxic levels of mercury could develop autism. Unless I'm mistaken, the necessary data to conclusively prove otherwise doesn't exist and/or would be unethical and/or impossible to obtain. Therefore, there is no way to logically assert that thimersol in vaccines causes autism. In the absence of data not included in this thread, that statement cannot be made.

2) I was merely pointing out that there are plenty of vaccines (including those for influenza) that do not contain thimersol (or mercury). You said they all do and that's clearly not the case. Naturally, older lots of discontinued vaccines are still in use, but it is possible to get vaccinated without mercury exposure. Stating that all flu vaccines contain thimersol/mercury is inaccurate, misleading, and needlessly frightening.

"This product should be considered equivalent to thimerosal-free products." "This vaccine may contain trace amounts of mercury." Thimerosal-free, what a joke. Its like giving a spoonful of peanut butter to someone who has a peanut allergy.

vaccines + HG = autism:

Well, I can't comment on the toxicity profile of mercury in a developing child and I'm unaware of anyone else who can either.

"Trace amounts of mercury". Do you know what that means? It means "above the limits of detection" but "below the limits of quantitation". It means the quantity is so small it can't even be calculated.

It takes more faith than I have to believe that a single exposure to a small volume containing parts-per-billion levels of mercury would directly cause autism and that it's as simple as that.

Finally, your "peanut allergy" analogy is inappropriate. It argues that a child is pre-disposed to autism as one is with an allergy. You don't take something and then become allergic to it, you're allergic to it before you're exposed to it (it's an example of dis-regulated immunity or "hypersensitivity"). With reference to autism, this would suggest that thimersol is not the cause but the trigger.

As I said before, to which you made no comment, the experimentation required to conclusively prove thimersol is truly responsible for autism cannot be done and therefore any statement to the affirmative is simply not fact.

So, which baby bottle will you be using, scientist with bad grammar?

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Kelley:

Perchance my "poor grammar" prevented you from reading my entire comment. Let me re-post the most pertinent part as it relates to your "baby bottle" analogy:

"... a single exposure to a small volume containing parts-per-billion levels of mercury..."

Operative terms: "single exposure" and "small volume". Unlike feeding from baby bottles (how many times a day for how many months?) a vaccination is a one-time event. Also, unlike feeding from baby bottles (~200-300 milliliters per bottle?), a typical vaccination volume is 1 milliliter or less.

I dare say the two are not equivalent, but that's a nice reference for that argument.

It may not just be the mercury but the vaccine itself. The vaccine is causing immune response that attacks the nervous system causing autism. The childs immune response is not yet fully develope.

Like Guillaine Barre that develope after immunization. It is an ascending paralysis. Not everyone who is vaccinated gets it but it happens. It attacks the nervous system. Gulf war syndrome where troops were vaccinated causing them to have the syndrome (vaccines were the suspect)

The next study would have to be the vaccine itself. We have to look at a population who were not vaccinated like the Amish. They have a very low incidence of autism.

Vaccines may save lives but at what cost?