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"We are the change that we seek"
by nerdnam
I have a hunch with these words that Obama may be transistioning over to accepting the VP nomination: if 'we' are the change then Obama himself isn't so important, what's important are Obama supporters. Those supporters can be the 'change' under Hillary Clinton just as well as under Barack Obama.
Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by michaelb1
Forget it. Obama won't take a VP deal if Hillary wins it. He would outshine her. She won't offer it to him. Also there is no way he would offer it to her if he got the nom. He doesn't need her or her baggage. All he needs is to firm up the elderly, latino, and poor people vote and she is obsolete. Normally I would say he would pick a southern or western VP to balance ticket but he seems to have no problem carrying those states. Maybe a military veteran like Jim Webb (VA)
Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by maroci

Obama wins 14 out of 22 states, has ENORMOUSLY more money than Clinton, several Obama-friendly states (LA,MI,VA and DC) are up next on the calendar and the conclusion you draw from that is that Obama wants the VP slot?

I wouldn't quit my day job for a career as a political analyst if I were you.

Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by nerdnam

Because he can't seem to break out of his narrow demographic (young people, African Americans, upper income voters) and get traditional Democratic voters; labor, women, latinos, lower income. He wins states that Democrats don't win. He loses in blue states.

IOW, he isn't quite getting over the hump and in such a situation, Hillary is more likely to win--she's the 'establishment' candidate, after all, at least in the Democratic party. But if he keeps on fighting, he'll end up dividing the party and he probably doesn't want that.

VP gets him in office and puts him in a great position in 2016. But breaking the party won't accomplish anything for him and puts him in a poor position in 2012.

Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by nerdnam
I'll bet Hillary doesn't mind if Obama outshines her. As long as she's the boss, of course.
Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by pwoxby

Hillary Clinton's defacto VP slot is already occupied... by Bill Clinton. What would Barack Obama do as VP for up to eight years? He'd be better off staying in the Senate.

As for dividing the party, I just don't see it. In fact in terms of a policy platform, the party is already united. The question of who will best implement agreed on policy is not that divisive.

Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by nerdnam

What would he do for eight years? He'd help the party win and bring in younger voters. And he'd be an ambassador to the world. He'll end up being the invincible successor to Hillary. He'll be the leader of the party and its future.

In the Senate, he'll have to cast votes and votes are messy. Opponents pick on votes--just look at Hillary's Iraq vote. But as VP he can be above all that.

What would make Bill the de facto VP? That doesn't make any sense. Hillary wasn't Bill's de facto VP. In fact, Al Gore was one of the most active VPs ever, and that bodes well for an Obama VP.

It's the "We" as compared to Billary's "I(+I)"
by Pmbster

Obama's "We" has been around for some time now in direct contradiction to Hillary's "I'm the one for change," with Bill following or even leading with his own "It's Me, It's Me."

Obama says it's US. I like that. I think a lot of people like that.

That's what the "We" is about.

Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by pwoxby

Bill Clinton delegated responsibility for health care reform in his administration to his co-president Hillary Clinton, not Al Gore. I'll have to take your word on Gore being one of the most active VPs ever since I can't remember a single thing he did as VP. Perhaps that explains why he lost to George W. Bush in 2000.

Barack Obama already has brought in younger voters. He already is the future of the party. And he is the leader of a genuine movement, the likes of which we haven't seen in a generation.

Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by nerdnam

He's not the future if he loses the nomination. And those younger voters may go elsewhere unless Obama's on the ticket.

I don't know that Obama's support consitutes a 'movement.' Without Obama, would there be one?

Yes, you can take my word for it that Gore was a very active VP. Or you could, you know, get yourself informed.

Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by pwoxby
Hey, you're the one making the unsubstantiated claim.
Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by pwoxby

"Also in 1997, Gore became the highest elected official to have run a marathon while in office." - Wikipedia on "Al Gore"

I guess that's what you mean by Gore being one of the most active VPs. :)

Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by mar1976cus
the race is barely started and already you are spending your winnings...
Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by gnpthorn
I wonder VP to who? Who thinks Al Gore will step in at the convention to save the day and take Obama on as VP?
Re: "We are the change that we seek"
by DaveG73
So what you are saying is that, he would have to do the work of a senator in and he would probably screw things up if he stayed in the senate? WOW, yeah I'm gonna go vote for that guy!!! Hillary's baggage.....Yeah, we know what it is....You know what's more important "Educated Ones"? Experience, and knowing how to do what the job you are appling for requires!!! He has no clue, just like Bush....He's would be an American Idol President!!! Popular but, maybe not the best one. MAC to PC and all that other HYPE MEDIA BS!!! LET'S NOT FORGET, EDUCATED ONES, THAT THE MEDIA HELPED BUSH SELL US ON THIS MESS THAT WE ARE IN NOW, JUST LIKE THEY ARE SELLING THAT FRESH FACE OBAMA TO US, A SHOVEL LOAD AT A TIME!!! Bush changed us too! From being a respected country in much of the world, to a joke. How on earth will a man who has changed little or nothing turn us around? And if he were to fail in his first four years, would you be as blind as the Bush Faithful to vote him in for another 4 because you were too proud to admit your own mistake of letting him in, in the first place? I rteally wonder how educated we really are. When you look at the WORLD STATISTICS, not very!
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