This verse says, "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book (bible)".

I ask how a new prophet can add to the words of the bible... without violating the terms of this verse. The bible says that false prophets will arise later and would come to the church with epistles and gospels and apocolypses which they would claim had been recieved by divine inspiration.

The book of Revelation was delivered thru His last living prophet, John and that completed the scriptures. God had to state (and he clearly did in Rev 22:18) where the end of His revelation to the prophets was otherwise the Bible would be "open-ended" and the church would have no way determine false teachings verses true teachings.

The New Testament has many warnings about false prophets and teachers who would arise, presuming to speak for God but woud be fakes to decieve even the elite. Matthew 24:24, Galations 1:8-9, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, 2 Peter 2:1-3, 1 John 4:1).

Hope you consider these things if you are a Morman or are even thinking of joining the Mormon Church... it is a very "close" copy of the real church but being a little off the mark when standing at the judgement seat of Christ won't get you into heaven.

In Christs name,

Wayne Watne

Wayne is correct when he says that the Bible is complete and about false teachers, etc. However I do not agree that the Mormon church comes anywhere "close' to the real church. In fact, it is FAR FAR from the real church. All one has to do is briefly read their Book of Mormon and other publications to see just how far fetched their doctine is. It also appears that Wayne is saying that the Mormon church are false teachers themselves. ( He can correct me if I am wrong) If that is the case, how can it be a " 'close' copy" of the real one? Submitted with all due respect to all who read this.

Dasher:

Wayne is correct when he says that the Bible is complete and about false teachers, etc. However I do not agree that the Mormon church comes anywhere "close' to the real church. In fact, it is FAR FAR from the real church. All one has to do is briefly read their Book of Mormon and other publications to see just how far fetched their doctine is. It also appears that Wayne is saying that the Mormon church are false teachers themselves. ( He can correct me if I am wrong) If that is the case, how can it be a " 'close' copy" of the real one? Submitted with all due respect to all who read this.

The Bible has lost a lot of important information through interpretations, translations and just plan losing whole documents. So I'm not sure "complete" is so accurate. Beyond that, Wayne's interpretation of that verse is so way off, I simply don't want to spend that much time explaining it. Suffice it to say, he needs to learn more about John, the chronological order of his writings and the method of the Bible's composition.

Apparently Dasher nor wwat read my topic previous to this topic being created. i guess you just can overcome spitefulness in all it's many forms.

Please, please, please, do not post something that you presume is fact as fact. If you have a question about the LDS church, ask. Don't just go posting mean, hateful things that you truly do not know about. Show some intelligence, not ignorance. I never thought it was such a hard thing to do.

Lots of answers at this site:

www.exmormon.org

wwat is incorrect. Revelation is the last book in the Bible, but not the last book written.

First of all the basis of the critics' argument is flawed. The word "Bible" means a collection of books, not one book.
John is not talking about the entire cannon of books of scriptures we call the Bible, he is only talking about the words and prophesies of "this book" (his book) that he wrote. The plagues he is talking about are those found in the same Book of Revelation.(See Rev. 9:20, 11:6, 15:1-6).
A similar scripture appears in Deut. 4:2, where Moses says:

"Ye shall not add unto the word I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."

Does this mean that everything written after this scripture is worthless or wrong? Also, some of the New Testamant books were written after Revelation. In fact, the entire cannon of Bible scriptures was not completely complied, as we have it now, at the time John wrote his scripture. The earliest known listing of New Testament books is the Muratorian Cannon, ca AD 160-170 which omits 2 Peter and 3 John. It was not until 365 AD that all 27 books as we have them now were officially listed in the New Testament by Arthanasius, Bishop of Alexandria.

It is also interesting to note that John himself added to scripture after writing the book of Revelation, which is generally conceded to have been written while he was on the Isle of Patmos.

It was long after John left Patmos that he wrote his first epistle. This fact alone would be sufficient to defeat the claim that revelation was closed and that no more scripture was to come forth.
The LDS Church has never added anything to John's Book of Revelation; they use the Kings James version as it is just like most other Christians.

Wayne,
I think perhaps God looks on the intent of a man's heart,
and on his actions. It may not all be hinged on the little differences. "Man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart,..." (1 Sam 16:7)

Maybe it's about what we do? Maybe we're judged by our faith in Christ and our good works among men? Perhaps everyone has a chance at paradise, no matter what their faith but by their actions.

I just think that God and Christ love us so much, I don't think they'd let what church we attend get in the way of us being with them again, if we try our best.

But they also claim that the Book of Mormon, among other material is the inspired word of God given to Joseph Smith. This is in complete disharmony to what the Bible teaches us. God cannot lie. The Bible is God's Word. It is Inspired by God meaning it is "God breathed" - (from "inspired" - theos neustos") Since this is so and since the Bible, God's Word, says that it is perfect and COMPLETE, to say that the Book of Mormon is additional "inspired" teaching from God it is calling God a liar! The Mormons need the Book of Mormon and their other publications to justify their doctrines, because if they only used the Bible, the ONLY Word of God, then many, many of their teachings are in direct conflict with what the Bible teaches. Joseph Smith was a very confused person as history shows any HONEST person. He, himself, states that he was confused with all the different religions of his day. So how does he solve his confusion? He makes up his own religion. And no matter how good intentioned he was (and that is highly debatable) it was NOT given to him by Jesus Christ as he claims. If you want to believe that, it is your choice. But it, Morminism, is NOT what Christ taught. If you think it is, you better read EVERYTHING that is in the Teachings of LDS. You will see many contradictions to what Christ and the Bible teaches. If you do not see them then you are truly blinded by their many false doctrines. This is not my opinion, IT IS WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES. Please read 2 Thess. 2: 10-11. You need to have a love for the truth. That truth Is the Bible and ONLY the Bible.

You better read Eph. 4:4-6 and Matt. 7:13,14 if you think the Bible says there is more than one church and that alot of folks are going to heaven. Read Matt. 7:21-23 also and let me know if that enforces your idea of how many are going to make it to heaven. And it isn't me who said it. It was Christ Himself. There is only ONE church that Christ died for. One does NOT join it but is added to it when he or she does what it says they need to do to be added to it. Read Acts 2:37-47. I didn't write it but it quite clearly and plainly tells the reader what one must do to be added to the ONLY church. It also tells us what we need to do after we are added to it, lest we fall away.

Dasher,

If Revelation is not the last book written in the Bible, how can we automatically eliminate other books?

There may be books written by Prophets that have not been found.

There are many articles or books written by pastors you would have to eliminate by your standard. By using your standard, Billy Graham, Copeland, Mormon Prophets, other religions are all frauds. I don't believe this to be so.

I love reading any or all books that uplift men and women and inspire them to do good works and help there fellow men.

However it's said, I guess I personally am more comfortable letting God judge everyone. That's a job I don't think I want. So I'm going to go about doing whatever good things I can and hope that that is enough. I hope that whatever it is you're seeking, Dasher, that you'll find it. I think fundamentally, we're hoping for the same thing--that we can measure up to God's standard.

It is NOT my standard, it is the Bible's standard. The Bible is the Word of God Himself. Are you trying to compare mere men such as the ones you refer to, to God? I am not saying they are frauds. The Bible clearly teaches that if someone teaches anything else but the Gospel which is found in the Bible then that person is damned! Read Gal. 1:6-9. What is it that Paul is saying there? So if you like reading these authors, you better compare what they teach to what the Bible teaches. If it is EXACTLY as the Bible teaches then God will bless them for teaching others the truth of His Word. But it had better be the ENTIRE truth that is in the Bible. One cannot pick and choose what one wants to believe and obey in the Bible. Read 2Tim.3:16,17. It says there "ALL scripture..." One better obey and listen to EVERYTHING in it! The Bible is complete. There are NO OTHER PROPHETS! If you believe that than you do not believe the Bible. This is NOT my opinion! It is in His Word! Read up on ALL the teachings and doctines of Mormonism. MANY of their teachings are in direct conflict with what the Bible teaches. Again, this NOT my opinion. Do you want to follow an organization that is teaching in direct oppostion to what the Bible teaches? I Don't.

I have found! And everyone who follows exactly what the Bible teaches will find it also. Read John 8:32. The truth will set us free from our sin and all doubt! But we MUST OBEY ALL OF THE TRUTH. Not PART of it! If you do, you will find the answer to life! God indeed will be the judge. Read Heb. 9:27. Everone will be judged. Read Matt. 7:13,14,21-23 and it tells us in verse 21 who is going to heaven. And compared to the list of those going to hell, it is a short list. And that isn't my words.

Your "good works" are nothing more than trash in God's eyes....