Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by Fourthsign
01/28/2008, 1:07 AM #
I just want to tell it like it is.... Hillary is the most CAPABLE, most COMMITTED, most TESTED, most EXPERIENCED, most INTELLECTUAL, she is a LEADER and the only one READY from day one to deliver RESULTS!
Obama is very inspiring , I give him kudos but this does not mean he would make the best president... Obama has studied MLK and JFK and has used their message of inspiration and hope, if you listen to him, he even tries to inflect his voice to sound like them (people really get brainwashed; its hilarious); Obama is not original, he is a FOLLOWER not a LEADER... WE NEED A DO'ER NOT A TALKER!
Obama sidestepped over 130 issues in his time as a public servant voting PRESENT on those issues... DO WE REALLY WANT SOMEONE THAT IS GOING TO SIDESTEP THE ISSUES???
Obama wrote his book and people have really eaten it up... HMMM, WHEN IT SEEMS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT USUALLY IS!
Obama and his campaign have been taking cheap shots at Hillary but when the Clintons hit back, he whines to the media and spins it as it being racial... What would poor Obama do if through his words of hope he got the nomination and the republicans beat him to a pulp; who would he run to, the news media wouldn't care because they are opportunists pushing the republicans dirty tricks???
Keeping it real... most white people are voting for him because it's cool and their friends are doing it (kind of like being gay because it's cool); most because feel guilty for what their ancestors did to the blacks; some want to be able to say I voted for a black man (kind of like "I have a black friend" I am not racist") I almost forgot to say, white women are voting for him because as we all know white women love them some black men... JUST KEEPING IT REAL! SORRY BUT TRUE!
Blacks are going to vote for Obama for the most part as proven in SC; not because of the issues but because "HE'S A BROTHER"... KEEPING IT REAL!
Most Mexicans will not vote for Obama because there are tensions between blacks and mexicans... some black leaders think that mexicans are trying to ride on their coat tales. MLK and Ceasar Chavez probably got along but after that the blacks have pushed mexicans away; and now mexicans will do the same to Obama... KEEPING IT REAL!
Keeping it real; people attack Bill for standing up for his wife; HONESTLY, IF HILLARY WAS TO GET DOWN AND DIRTY WITH OBAMA, PEOPLE WOULD GET TURNED OFF; BECAUSE WE AS AMERICANS TREAT WOMEN AS IF THEY SHOULD NOT ENGAGED IN THESE SORT OF THINGS, ESPECIALLY AGAINST A MAN! we think we have a long way to go when it comes to race but people don't acknowledge how much further we have for womens rights.
The news media and pundits have spinned the whole democratic campaign to make it look bad on the Clintons when in fact, it is the media CREATING THE STORIES NOT REPORTING THEM... I hope the smart people in the democratic party are able to see past all this BS. The republicans really want Obama to win!
Obama's message of hope, message of bringing people together is nothing but WORDS that he HOPES helps him get in the whitehouse. Obama has said in an interview that if he doesn't win this time that he won't run again...DUH, it's because he will have to eventually show his true colors and people will not like what they see after 8 years. If he really believed that washington needs change he would not say, "I will not run again if I don't win this time around"... BOOHOO! Does this sound like a man who believes in what is coming out of his mouth or is he just telling people whatever he can to try and get elected, since this is the only attempt he will make...
Here is the website with him talking about not running again. <link>
Republicans have their ATTACK DOGS who have been attacking Hillary for a long time now; it's all over the web and has been long before she decided to run for president.... HMMM, I WONDER WHY? I CAN TELL YOU THEY ARE AFRAID, THEY ARE VERY AFRAID OF HILLARY (AFRAID OF A STRONG WOMAN); she has taken their beatings and has never laid down and died; SHE HAS STOOD TALL THROUGH IT ALL, AS SHE WILL FOR THIS COUNTRY!
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by bsharporflat
01/28/2008, 6:31 AM #
Thanks for your opinion, fourthsign. It is probably a good thing that most Americans are not so nasty and partisan. But you and the Clintons do make a good fit together. Good luck.
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by Anse
01/28/2008, 7:44 AM #
Hillary will get smashed in a national election. I'm telling you, the hatred for that woman almost exceeds the hatred some have for Bill.
I know a lot of Repug voters who are thoroughly disgusted with the GOP right now, so much so that they'd be willing to consider a Democratic presidential candidate. But if you put Hillary on the ballot, they will turn against her in droves.
Aside from the personal dislike, I'm really disappointed in her dependence on Bill in this campaign. I don't want a tag-team administration. We already have a VP running things (Bush doesn't do squat without Cheney's say-so); we don't need this.
As for Obama, he's got more legitimate experience than George W. Bush did when he first ran for president, and he'll be miles better than Dubya.
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by FordTruck5Speed
01/28/2008, 9:06 AM #
Anse, I think you're idea is right on about the Clinton campaign, though I have a few bones of contention with your take on the GOP. The biggest thing I see with the Clintons is a burning desire for power. It's like oxygen to them. I don't claim to be a mind reader, but having seen what the Clintons have done in the last decade or two, I believe that they'll do anything to get their power back.
I don't believe for a second that those "emotional" moments and the goading of Obama into the race and sex battle they had a week or so ago were accidents. I believe that it was all staged, and I think the same goes with Bill's involvement. It looks to me like nothing more than a game of "good cop, bad cop." Bill is the bad cop that makes all the accusations and does the dirty work, and Hillary comes along and says, "But seriously..." and makes it look like she's the level headed one.
And I think you're right, in that people just don't like Hillary. In fact, I keep hearing long-time democrats and democratic supporters (John Kerry included) jumping ship and latching onto Obama for the simple fact that they are tired of her and the tried-and-true Clinton tactics. It leaves a republican like me in a dilemma. On one hand, I'd like to see Obama crush Hillary like a grape, but on the other, I think Hillary is an easier opponent in the fall. It's gonna be an interesting 10 months, that's for sure.
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by Sickofleft
01/28/2008, 9:29 AM #
"just want to tell it like it is.... Hillary is the most CAPABLE, most COMMITTED, most TESTED, most EXPERIENCED, most INTELLECTUAL, she is a LEADER and the only one READY from day one to deliver RESULTS"
What are you guys basing this on? I think your delusional, I would love to meet the person your referring to but......thats not her.
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by Anse
01/28/2008, 10:10 AM #
Ford, I heard words I thought I'd never hear as long as I lived: my pop, a diehard Republican from way back when being a Republican in Texas was not cool at all, a man who has never voted for a Democrat in all of his 60 years, has told me that unless Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination, he will not vote for the Republican candidate next fall.
But if Hillary is the Democrat, he would rather spend a weekend in hell than vote for her.
I think that sentiment is fairly common this election year.
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by FordTruck5Speed
01/28/2008, 10:32 AM #
Well, I don't know your dad, so I'm not going to question his judgment here, but when I look at the two sides, I can't just abandon the GOP just because a handful of people have screwed up. Personally, on all the issues I think are important, every Republican has at least some edge on every Democrat in this race. He (or you) may not agree with me, and that's fine. I just think that if you're even a little bit conservative, especially when it comes to the economy, there is no Democrat that could offer you a favorable position.
I'm not going to say that there's a perfect candidate. I know a lot of us political conservatives invoke the name of Ronald Reagan, but the fact is that 1) even Reagan wasn't perfect, and 2) Reagan isn't running. There are things I like about all 4 of the GOP front-runners (even McCain) and things that leave me scratching my head. Honestly, I kind of like Obama, but I just flat out disagree with him on nearly every topic from taxes to national defense. But then, I'm sure we could have a month-long debate on all of that.
I guess my point is that if I have to put up with a liberal Democrat in the White House for the next 4 years, I'd rather it be Obama than Clinton. I don't necessarily agree with hm any more than Hillary, but I do tend to trust him more. I suppose only time will tell.
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by bsharporflat
01/28/2008, 11:01 AM #
Hah, Ford Truck. So Hillary wants power more than Obama eh? He is a humble and trusted public servant while Hillary wants power so she can...well, do what? What does the evil Hillary want to do with her power. Steal your money to feed and heal poverty stricken children? Obama's gonna do that too. You'll have to downgrade from a 60 inch widescreen to a 55 incher no matter which Dem wins.
Do you fear her stealing your money to fund art made by putting excretement on Christian icons? Rudy is the man to fight against that. McCain in the doghouse? Well, Bush fans are obviously not fans of military men.
Hillary, by all measures, is the most conservative of the Democrat candidates. Admit it, you don't like her because you are still pissed over the 90's when Republicans had to grind their teeth for 8 years.. Or you don't like her hair. Or her laugh? Or her law degree. Whatever it is you don't like, it ain't political. And you assume only 4 years in office for a Democrat winner? What Republican savior is going to rise up in 4 years that we don't know about now? Mark Foley's triumphant return?
You are well advised to support Obama however because if Hillary wins there is a chance Obama will be her running mate, and he is young. Contemplating 16 years of Democratic presence in the White House? That would really toast your walnuts. Ouch!
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by thewolf05827
01/28/2008, 11:05 AM #
Do you do the mind-reading thing just for fun, or is it professional gig for you? Weddings, bar mitzvahs...??
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by The_Rodfather
01/28/2008, 11:36 AM #
Hmmmmmmm republicans have an edge over democrats on the economy, are you serious?
When bush went into office he had a surplus, today we have a $500,000,000,000.00 deficit. Republicans spent this country into bankruptcy. China is buying up America as fast as it can.
Why is it everytime we have a Republican administration there is some kind of banking industry, credit industry meltdown? It was the S & L bailout when Reagan was in office now we have sub-prime debacle. I think the Republicans like running the country into the ground so they can buy things on the cheap.
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by FordTruck5Speed
01/28/2008, 11:39 AM #
B#, just when I think you're a rational human being, you go and post something as stupid as this.
If you had any idea how to read the English language, you would have seen that I vehemently disagree with BOTH OF THEM on nearly every issue. I don't support Obama. Never have, and never claimed to. Besides, being the most conservative democrat is kind of like being the best-looking ugly person. It doesn't take much.
Your thoughts are so irrational and unfounded that, if I didn't think you were going to pull a voting lever in November, I'd find it absolutely hysterical. Hillary Clinton is going to feed every mouth, clothe and house every body, right? There's poverty in this country because there just aren't enough liberals running things. Good grief. Look, if Democrats really were the saviors that you make them out to be, Pittsburgh and Detroit would be the two fastest growing economies in the country, with New Orleans coming in a close 3rd. But, alas, 40 years of Democratic power in my hometown has led to the fastest population decline of any city in the country except Detroit, a reeling economy, a transportation system that is shaky on a good day, and two fucking stadiums built with public money that no one wanted. By the way, our taxes are still paying for Three Rivers Stadium (which was turned to rubble after the 2000 NFL season).
The fact that you think government can cure poverty by giving away more handouts shows just how absurd and irrational you really are, and how little you know about economics. If nothing else, you do provide some entertainment.
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by Sharpchefjeff
01/28/2008, 11:50 AM #
I might despise you thewolf05827, hate your rude comments, your name calling, and all else....BUT...
That was funnier than all hell...
You might be useful as a comic relief...lol
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by donnamp
01/28/2008, 2:05 PM #
Fourthsign:I just want to tell it like it is.... Hillary is the most CAPABLE, most COMMITTED, most TESTED, most EXPERIENCED, most INTELLECTUAL, she is a LEADER and the only one READY from day one to deliver RESULTS!
Again, what makes her the most capable, committed, tested, experienced and intellectual person for the job?
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by bsharporflat
01/28/2008, 2:05 PM #
Sorry Democrats ruined your city, FordTruck but that isn't my fault. And you are the one who chooses to live in a city of numbskulls who continue to pay for a demolished stadium.
I never said Hillary Clinton will eliminate poverty but you seem convinced she'll turn the USA into Detroit or Pittsburgh. Isn't that a sort of stupid thing to think? I didn't notice the nation falling into the crapper when Bill was president. And you did express the sentiment that you'd prefer Obama over Hillary. I only gave you a reason that supporting Obama might free you from Democrats in 8 years.
I hope you aren't investing a lot of money or emotion in the likelihood of a Republican president elected in November. Whomever the Republicans pick will stand the same chance as Bob Dole in 1996.
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Re: Hillary TROUNCES poor Obama!
by Sharpchefjeff
01/28/2008, 6:15 PM #
bsharporflat:
Sorry Democrats ruined your city, FordTruck but that isn't my fault. And you are the one who chooses to live in a city of numbskulls who continue to pay for a demolished stadium.
I never said Hillary Clinton will eliminate poverty but you seem convinced she'll turn the USA into Detroit or Pittsburgh. Isn't that a sort of stupid thing to think? I didn't notice the nation falling into the crapper when Bill was president. And you did express the sentiment that you'd prefer Obama over Hillary. I only gave you a reason that supporting Obama might free you from Democrats in 8 years.
I hope you aren't investing a lot of money or emotion in the likelihood of a Republican president elected in November. Whomever the Republicans pick will stand the same chance as Bob Dole in 1996.
That is a very shallow reply...my god you must be Republican!!!!
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