"Once again, savages and cold-blooded monsters have taken the life of someone who could have had a great positive impact on the world.." Hurricane who are you talking about ?? muslims or someone else.

Ok I follow Pakistan quite closely having spent a few years there and having made several trips there afterwards for my bears.So here is what I know.

Benazir ( nickname Pinky Bhutto ) Bhuttos are to Pakistan what the Kennedys used to be to the US.

Wow , the US stock market and the oil prices felt the shock waves of the Bhutto murder, I must give her credit for that, the 160 million murderous savages of Pakistan have been on complete shutter down strike in Pakistan in protestfor the third day going because of the Bhutto killing, roits have killed 30 people and there is hardly any traffic on the roads so I would venture that her killing has not been very popular with the people of Pakistan.

Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif are the two major players in the politics of Pakistan you can compare them to the republicans and democrats, along with the minions which are PML(Q) the kings (Mushraf's) party and the Jamat e Islami who score a little higher then Ralph Nader in fair elections.

The above two have been Prime minister twice apiece and Mushraf has banned third terms for them.

Benazir is the darling of the west because she was smart and a women, she also has a couple of billion dollars to hire GOOD LOBBYISTS which she did not have when her father the prime minister of Pakistan was hanged in by General Zia ul haq I was there in Pakistan at the time of Gen. Zia's government but after Bhutto's hanging.

Gen Zia's was our man to fight the Russians in Afghanistan and his ISLAMIC goverment and our support of the very madrasahs ( Islamic schools ) provided the Mujahideen ( now called Taliban ) to fight the Russians.

General Zia was blown out of the sky after it was found that he and his buddy General Humayan Akhter were responsible for selling Stinger missiles to Iran, both the Generals left behind very rich sons Ejaz ul Haq and Humuyan Akhter who are ministers in the present Goverment of General Musharaf.

Now who's Dunnit.

I have talked to many people in Pakistan over the last two days and have been talking to a French journalist for the past hour.

# 1 suspect as far as people of Pakistan are concerned are Hurricane's friends - motive to destablise Pakistan and urge the Americans to sieze Pakistan's nukes.

# 2 Musharaf''s agencies- there are rogue elements in the ISI ( inter services intellegnce agency ) who are not even in the control of Mushraf himself and don't like Benazir because she in thier opionion sold out to the Indians when she gave names of Sikh rebels to Rajiv Gandhi another victim of assassination.

# 3 Benazir's political rivals the Chaudries and not Nawaz Sharif. The father of Chaudries is believed to have been killed by Benazir's Father.

Surprise, surprise very few people in Pakistan suspect Al qaeeda or muslim fundamentalists to have done it. I polled many people on that.

You can ask your questions now or give your comments.

Unebug I will report to you about my sex and showers story later

Very few think extremists did it ?

Is that because Pakistanis don't pay as much attention to the media and policy analysts as the West does, or is there another reason ?

My cursory and indifferent reading of Mideast politics tells me that Bhutto had many enemies, including extremists, so it would be very curious indeed to simply rule them out.

Plus, a suicide bombing has the earmarks of extremist tactics rather than an assasination.

The other reason would be fear.

I wonder if Pakistanis are afraid to speak up against the extremists for fear of being singled out and possibly retaliated against. In this neck of the woods it is called omerta.

fredf, welcome back. Is your real name "fred"? I thought a"wise guy" did you in !!! lol

"SULU" thanks for your perspective on BENAZIR.

Fred, the people of Pakistan understand thier country and politics better then us, the muslims extemists cannot offend the populace and hope to get anywhere, they don't have the muscle to control Pakistan and they constantly need recruits to join thier ranks so doing something which is going to be massively unpopular with the people is not thier cup of tea, the extremists are very shrewd and they know they have nothing to gain from killing her except unpopularity, they need the support of the people of Pakistan if they mean to achieve anything, the popularity of the extremists is restricted to the border areas of Afghanistan only.The average Pakistani is much more aware of the world and politics then the average American, they are in the midst of all the ruckus and they have to survive therefore there senses are much more finely honed then ours, the average american also does not care about the world even at times not even more then the state he lives in.

Our media hardly knows more then the average american or wants to project a certian agenda , the media has been going on and on about the possibility of Pakistani nukes being taken over by extremists those who know Pakistan know that the possibility of that happening is as remote as the Russian or Indian nukes being stolen by AL qaeeda or some other extremist organisation.The Pakistan are well aware what the western media is upto and constantly complain to me about this and the US propping up unpopular Generals over the last three decades or more.

Pakistanis also know that the suicide bombings are the work of thier Government and or agencies who till not long ago were closely knitted with the taliban, the suicide bombings have been often been used to impose martial law and abrogating the constitution or declaring emergency etc they were very recently used by Mushraf as an excuse to get rid of the Chief Justice of the Supreme court.

The Pakistanis are not under any pressure not to speak out and they do so without fear , secondly the extremists are non existant in the big cities being limited to the northern areas bordering Afghanistan, you would be surprised to see Pakistan if you visited it, the way women dress and smoke and party like any in the US

The only party that can instill this kind of fear is not a religous party but a ethnic party called MQM whose chief Altaf Hussian lives in London this party's influence again is limited to the harbour city of Karachi and adjoining city of Hyderabad, this party collects money like the mafia and puts bodies of those unwilling to pay in sacks, this party was instrumental in beating up a greatly loved Pakistani hero "Imran Khan" a crickter turned politician, ex husband of Jemima Goldsmith and alleged father of daughter from another US billionaress Sita White (I think ) who committed suicide about a year or so ago..

THANK YOU, Dr Bill

Sullo

Unebug I will report to you about my sex and showers story later

Thank you so much for that little tid-bit, Oilthieves, I just had to go throw up and will probably be physicall ill for the rest of the weekend. Do us all a favor and keep that stuff in personal emails.

Tut! tut! everlong. NOW YOU HAVE BECOME THE HEEL CLICKING FRAY CENSURER. Keep your thoughts to yourself and just don't read the posts that you think might be offensive. I am chuckling to myself. Did I tell you about my Born again Christian Uncle who is in his late 70's and still having wicked thoughts?. He has to go to church to try to control those wicked thoughts. I have this theory if he accepted sexuality as a beautiful natural state he might not keep dwelling on it. Remember those TV evangelist preachers who were caught soliciting women of ill repute? Now back to Pakistan.....

Thank you OT for the man on the Pakistani street perspective. Very complicated. I'll go read what Truthout says.

Everlong I am so sorry, didn't know you had weak stomach, I am probably an exhibitionist and need to wash my dirty laundry in public, I can't help it, so since your greeting me on Xmas was one of those that pleased me most, here is what I am going to do for you, I will try and put a warning in the subject line like "not 4 EL" so that you don't read it but however if you go ahead and read it anyway then there is not much I can do.

Bro, it's not the exhibitionistic side of you that bothers me, I've got that running thru my own blood. What bothered me was the fact that you were swapping these stories, and no telling what else, with the bug, and I just couldn't hold in the thoughts of what she may be sending back to you.

It was the pictures of the bug running thru my head that threw me for such a loop. But I wasn't thrown from my lunch in all honesty.

And I'm glad to know that you enjoyed my Xmas greeting so much. I assure you it was sincere.

Now that is sweet. It is good to clear the air. Good healthy sex is whatI want to hear about. That stuff about on the bear rug was pretty good; I am ready for a novel.

See Ever, OT knew I appreciated his writing style.

Pakistan. Her 19 year old son will do something and his father will help at first. Sounds sort of like the family is just a figure for the dream of democracy. Maybe like what we have here with the Bush's. What about the corruption that she was accused of.? Or is it like Greenspan saying all governments are corrupt... This Halliburton corruption must be the biggest thing yet..

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Keep your thoughts to yourself and just don't read the posts that you think might be offensive.

Tut tut yourself. You think just because you view me as a conservative that I am against nudity? No, you have it twisted. It was the thought of YOU naked that was offensive to me. Even if that's not what Oilthieves was remotely referring to it still brought those images to my mind, and that is as offensive as it gets.

And don't you ever even hint at me censoring anybody. See, that's another one of your huge problems, you truly believe that only people to the right are capable of censoring. Oh sure, i tell you or fran to sut the hell up but that isn't censoring.

The trith is that your beloved extreme lefty, Chavez and his buddy Putin commit censoring on a level that you couldn't even comprehend. Just start from state run television and radio and try to think of things that would be far worse and you would begin to be on the right track.

I know it was sincere Everlong that is why I valued it.

We have corporate run media and if you think that is fair and balanced think again. Where is Anthony?

By the way , I am laughing that you are visualizing me naked. Please go find yourself a wonderful young thing. She is out there and it would make her mother extremely happy. There is a purpose to life even for Republicans and that is to make more little Republicans.