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Hitchens Trivializes Deeply Held Beliefs
by selowitch
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Christopher Hitchens deconstruction of Hanukkah misses the point as usual. If we only celebrated holidays where the underlying historical reality was free of complexity, irony, and moral ambiguity, we would have no holidays at all. Hitchens apparently holds up for scorn any tradition, such as Hanukkah, that simplifies and reduces historical events to simple allegories that reinforce a sense of national and religious identity.

The worthiness of Hanukkah does not rest on whether a "puddle" of oil lasting eight days instead of merely one constitutes a sufficiently impressive miracle, nor does its value wither away because the Hasmonean Dynasty that followed the Maccabean Revolt was arguably as rotten or worse than what the Jews had overthrown.

No, the essential point of Hanukkah --- whether the history fully supports this notion or not --- is that religious liberty and self-government and values worth fighting for, and that Jewish tradition is worth preserving in the face of forced conversion and assimilation to Hellenic paganism. Having the Temple in Jerusalem used for the worship of Zeus and the sacrifice of pigs is not something the zealots could or should have tolerated, nor should they have accepted conversion at the point of a sword. Once again, the Jews were faced with either physical or spiritual death, and instead chose to continue to exist, which is extremely galling to some people, including apparently Mr. Hitchens.
Re: Hitchens Trivializes Deeply Held Beliefs
by LHodes
excellent response to the self-hating part-Jew Hitchens' diatribe on Hannukah
Re: Hitchens Trivializes Deeply Held Beliefs
by Gilker

I know of multiple examples - based on verifiable history - that support religious freedom. Arguing from myth as if it is the only support for liberty is ridiculous. Believe if it is plausible to you and allow those who don't the same freedom.

Overreach alert
by o_hellenbach

selowitch:
[T]he essential point of Hanukkah --- whether the history fully supports this notion or not --- is that religious liberty and self-government and values worth fighting for....

Sorry, I don't buy it. Hanukkah is an expression of religious/tribal/national/"rac­ial" solidarity. That's why it's not a Muslim or Hindu holiday, though presumably self-government and religious liberty (at least in a collective sense) should be equally prized by Muslims and Hindus and just about anybody else. The essential point is not any high-sounding principles that actually arise out of Enlightenment thought, but that once again, God saved His own special people because they returned to be faithful to Him.

Re: Overreach alert
by selowitch
o_hellenbach:
Sorry, I don't buy it. Hanukkah is an expression of religious/tribal/national/"rac­ial" solidarity. That's why it's not a Muslim or Hindu holiday, though presumably self-government and religious liberty (at least in a collective sense) should be equally prized by Muslims and Hindus and just about anybody else. The essential point is not any high-sounding principles that actually arise out of Enlightenment thought, but that once again, God saved His own special people because they returned to be faithful to Him.
Merely because I did not specifically mention in my argument that Hanukkah's message is primarily a Jewish does not render that contention false. I think you and I would find ourselves in agreement on that.
Re: Hitchens Trivializes Deeply Held Beliefs
by selowitch
Gilker:

I know of multiple examples - based on verifiable history - that support religious freedom. Arguing from myth as if it is the only support for liberty is ridiculous. Believe if it is plausible to you and allow those who don't the same freedom.

I did not state that myth is the only support for liberty; nevertheless, in this case it is one cultural/literary support out of many.
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