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Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by Bottomfish
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So the big missed opportunity was in not responding to an Arab League statement about Hezbollah's "unexpected, inappropriate, and irresponsible acts." Please note that this says nothing about Israel's permanent right to exist. Did we hear such a statement from Hamas? Would Kaplan care to comment on missed opportunities on the Palestinian side?
Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by PhilistineTheArtLover

Palestinians missed an opportunity for peace when Palestine was destroyed by a bunch of demented Holocaust survivors back in 1948.

They lost another chance to make peace when Israel completed the occupation of Palestine by taking the West Bank and Gaza in 1967.

And another chance was wasted when Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 to try to furhter disperse Palestinian refugees from 48 and 67.

And they keep missing chances for peace each and every passing day Israel refuses to implement of international law.

Every time a Palestinian is arrested, or his house demolished, or his land taken, or refused entry to his homeland, or when an Israeli sniper doesn't like how he or she moves, every time they miss an opportunity for peace.

How sad.

Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by bsharporflat

That is pathetic Phillistine. I guess the Palestinians are only peaceful, kind, sweet people. Victims who have never done anything wrong or made any bad decisions. What a one-sided crock of ****.

There are jewish versions of you. They are called zionists. You and the zionists are the problem. Thanks to both of you for 60 years of misery and death.

Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by PhilistineTheArtLover

Considering Palestinians are not responsible for the destruction of a single Jewish home, much less responsible for destroying a single Jewish village or town, nor the creation of a single Jewish refugee, nor the confiscation a single inch of Israeli land, nor the occupation of a single inch of the same land, nor the incarceration of a single Israeli, nor the taking of natural resources from Israel for their own use, yes, we're the victims here.

Very much so.

Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by doodahman
By your rather bizarre standards, I suppose the Holocaust represents 6 million seized opportunities, huh? Each one was given an opportunity to pose no further danger to European Aryan dominance and each one grabbed it with both hands.
Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by bsharporflat
Sure, sure. Palestinians are completely innocent blameless lambs to the slaughter. They'd never kill jews or even kill each other. They'd never leave their land placing faith in an Arab army to slaughter the jews. These are 6 million Gandhis looking for peace.
Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by doodahman

bsharporflat:
Sure, sure. Palestinians are completely innocent blameless lambs to the slaughter. They'd never kill jews or even kill each other. They'd never leave their land placing faith in an Arab army to slaughter the jews. These are 6 million Gandhis looking for peace.

And you never miss an opportunity to show how brainwashed and Nazi-like you are. See, asshole, you and the Nazis assholes share a common trait-- the easy willingness to condemn an entire population for the perceived crimes of a tiny minority. Nope, to you, the sins of one are imputable to all and a sign that the entire folk are criminals meriting stern treatment by the authorities.

While humane and civilized people learn about the Holocaust with horror, disgust and a determination that such things never again occur, you took it as a blueprint for the treatment of Palestinians. Oh, you don't have the ovens, because unlike the situation with the Nazis, you have all the time in the world to starve and strangle Gaza and the West Bank. Or, at least you think you do.

But then there's that pesky Hezbollah and troublesome Hamas, acting like Warsaw Ghetto Jews, throwing a wrench into the timetable. Must really put the grit under your dentures.

Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by doodahman

But then there's that pesky Hezbollah and troublesome Hamas, acting like Warsaw Ghetto Jews, throwing a wrench into the timetable. Must really put the grit under your dentures.

And to follow up the point, from Wikipedia:

January 1943 rebellion

On January 18, 1943, the Germans began their second deportation of the Jews, which led to the first instance of armed insurgency within the ghetto. While Jewish families hid in their "bunkers," Germans and fighters engaged in two direct clashes. As a consequence, the deportation was halted within a few days, and only 5,000 Jews were removed instead of the planned 8,000.[2]

Two resistance organizations, the Jewish Military Union (Żydowski Związek Wojskowy, ŻZW) and the Jewish Combat Organization (Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa, ŻOB) took control of the Ghetto. They built dozens of fighting posts and executed Jews whom they considered to be Nazi collaborators, including Jewish Police officers and Gestapo agents[5] The ŻOB established a prison to hold and execute traitors and collaborators[6]). Józef Szeryński, the former head of the Jewish Police, committed suicide.[7]

Opposing forces

Jewish insurgents As the frustrated Germans diverted additional resources to end the standoff, ghetto residents spent the next three months preparing for what they understood would be their last stand. Hundreds of camouflaged bunkier shelters were dug beneath houses, connecting the buildings through the sewage system and linking up with the central water supply and electricity. The Warsaw Ghetto was divided into military districts, with organizations responsible for each district.

Ghetto fighters were armed with pistols and revolvers, a few rifles and one machine gun (some sources claim there were three). The insurgents had little ammunition, and relied heavily on improvised explosive devices and incendiary bottles. A few more weapons were supplied throughout the uprising, or captured from the Germans.

Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by Bottomfish
My dear boy - if you find any Palestinians being carried off to crematoria, I will be fascinated. Please let me know if you find any and tell me how you found out about them.
Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by doodahman

Bottomfish:
My dear boy - if you find any Palestinians being carried off to crematoria, I will be fascinated. Please let me know if you find any and tell me how you found out about them.

See, this is exactly what makes you fucktards such assholes. According to you, until people are herded into box cars and sent into gas chambers en masse, hey, what's the problem?

Here's the problem-- Zionists are illegally occupying land with the express intention of making the native inhabitants disappear. They'll do it slow or fast depending on what they could get away with. The Nazis were willing to take their time, too, with the Jews, until about 1943. Then they knew that speed was of the essence, and VOILA! the oven system was integrated with the railroads and German efficiency finally imposed itself on the Final Solution.

On the other hand, the Zionists have slowly, methodically, and inexorably destroyed the Palestinian village system, agriculture, economic vitality, and political cohesion. Their children, even those who have not been driven into refugee camps, are starving. The Israelis steal the land, the trees, the water, and then claim that because they haven't herded them into death camps, they aren't doing anything wrong.

So, given all that, the only thing I'd like to find vis a vis you is my foot up your fucking ass.

Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by Samson
Had it not been US supports, Israel would have been a member of the Arab League Assembly (*).

"-._.-"

(*) Israel a member of the Arab League!!!

Yes, a part if not the majority of its population speaks Arabic, just like Somalia.

Why is Israel late in agreeing to engage a real peace process with the Palestinians?

Feeling Shouldered by a great power, in this case USA, Israel found it tempting and interesting to milk this cow - USA - as long as possible. It has worked up to now indeed. So why then bother for any peace process whatsoever? Israel was somewhat granted free hand to seize the opportunity and install as many settlements as possible. Israel has not only enjoyed this situation but has also done all that it could to make it last, why not forever.

THE ORIGINAL SIN
by PhilistineTheArtLover

I have a quote here that puts the whole situation in the proper perspective. It is by Dr. Nahum Goldmann who was the president of the World Jewish Congress in 1974 when he wrote the following in a magazine article:

"...If we had invested in the Arab problem a tenth of the energy, the passion, the ingenuity, the resourcefulness which we developed in order to gain the support of Britain, France, the US and Weimar Germany, our destiny in the development of Israel may have been quite different... We were not ready for compromises; we did not regarded as a major problem. We did not make sufficient efforts to get, if not the full agreement of the Arabs, at least their acquiescence to a Jewish state, which I think would have been possible. That was the original sin."

Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by gzuckier

OK, sending rockets into the country next door when they pull out of your country = Warsaw Ghetto.

good to know.

For 50 years the Palestinians have been held up as innocent victims of the Evil Israelis, who must never surrender until the last Israeli is gone, no matter how much martyrdom they suffer; mainly by those who employ that tactic to use them a weapon against Israel because Israel threatens the feudal balance of power in the Middle East, what with their filthy European notions about democracy and women driving cars and so on. Much more useful to keep them in camps and feed them wild tales of revenge and cosmic justice and a return to a fictitious Golden Land than to actually give them a hand to build lives for themselves and the next generations. Anybody who has a fraction of an ounce of actual sympathy for the Palestinians will not engage in this armchair jihad coaching.

Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by bsharporflat

As I understand it, Palestinians have slots in the Knesset. Did Hitler give any slots in the Nazi government to jews? I once heard a complaint from a Palestinian that they were forced to put a different sort of licence plate on their cars than jews. Um...they have cars? Also I have seen video of the Palestinian refugee camps (made by Palestinians). No tents, but houses, streets, cars, schools, hospitals, etc. We have a different name for such places. We call them "towns".

Israel is hardly blameless for the problems there but the foul language and violent, aggressive tone of the Palestinian types here makes a few things very clear.

Re: Any missed Palestinian opportunities?
by doodahman

Israel is hardly blameless for the problems there but the foul language and violent, aggressive tone of the Palestinian types here makes a few things very clear.

You are such an asshole. Oh, they have cars? Fuck you. They also have starving children, murdered children, lost land, inviable communities and a life no better than those living in concentration camps.

The ignorance and callousness of your response condemns you as the piece of human waste you truly are. Here's something very much clearer: if you don't get your asswhipping in this world, expect one in the next.

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