Re: ru.empeirikos, your link
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ru.empeirikos
06/28/2007, 8:54 AM #
>> But, I would say that it very well may be possible to determine MHC
without knowing gender. If the odor expressing the MHC breakdown is not
gender-specific (studies show both men and women use it) why would you expect
otherwise? <<
I remain highly dubious to the entire idea that there is a connection
between MHC and odor. The experiment
using dirty t-shirts and smellers is hardly conclusive. In contrast I find the idea that a man can
detect an ovulating women to be plausible, and in the same vein, able to
determine gender. Just a guess.
>> Secondly, you're observation that we can look for a mate without
look for a parent of our offspring isn't perfect. Until very very recently
sex=babies. There is a difference in strategies between long-term mates from
which he help to get support, and short-term mates from which we only hope to
get good genes. It's where these two strategies cross that the really cool
stuff in evolutionary psychology takes place. But make no mistake, both
long-term and short-term strategies are about making good babies.<<
Evolutionary psychology? I hope we
don’t have to wade into that infantile battlefield to explore this topic. I agree that my “mating without a desire to
sire” is much better expressed as strategy of providing genes without any
long-term help. I also agree that the
expectation of getting long-term help is a very important criteria when
choosing a mate, and as others have expressed, what the traditional relation
between the sexes is important in that discussion. The research I have seen focused on the size difference between
men and women, and the size of male’s testicles. Compared to animals where the male has many females in a
harem-like relationship (like elephant seals) the size difference between human
males and females is slight. Yet, human
males are slight bigger then females, which isn’t typical of a species that is
strictly monogamous (Gibbons).
Likewise, the large size of the human testicles (relative to other
primates) suggests there is a competitive advantage for large amounts of
sperm. Large male elephant seals fight
to win the females but after that the competition is over and large testicles
aren’t necessary. For animals in which
females willingly have multiple sex partners, large male size isn’t as
important as large testicles; the competition takes place in a much more
pleasant venue. Taken together, the
data suggests that in our past humans had some experience with harems and that
extramarital affairs aren’t uncommon.
As ugly as it may seem, a successful strategy may include females first
trying to pick a mate that will be a committed partner and then trying to sneak
a chance at a “better” gene pool with a different mate; while keeping the
committed partner in the dark.
Likewise, males join committed relationships and then try to increase
their progeny by getting others to do the hard work. Therefore, a key determinant when choosing a mate may depend on
if you already have a committed partner.
If not, finding someone honest (when they promise to help) may be more
important than attractiveness or a diverse MHC profile. But once the first the need is fulfilled,
the temptation to try for a mate whose offspring will be capable of providing
more meat (in the case of the female) or the temptation of spreading as much
seed as possible (in the case of the male) is evolutionarily hard to resist.