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When Did God Come Into Thanksgiving?
by riccaric

That's what Mrs. riccaric asked when I told her about the conservative effort to "bring God back into Thanksgiving.

As always, Mrs. riccaric is right.

Newt Gingrich argues that "historically, Thanksgiving is about renewing the bond between Americans and their Creator. It's a time when we are reminded that our rights come from God and that we have responsibilities to God as free citizens." (Gingrich, Winning the Future, Nov. 20, 2007)

Given the association of Thanksgiving with the harvest, it would probably be more accurate to say that Thanksgiving used to be about forgiving god more than thanking him. It's the same with harvest festivals all over the world. Of course, there is the conventional "thanking" of god for the blessings of the harvest. Who doesn't know the religious routines of their society? But people primarily congratulated themselves for bringing in the harvest after long summers and autumns of backbreaking labor and constant struggling against droughts, insects, parasites, floods, frost, heat, and the other burdens of nature.

And who brought about all of those difficulties?

Of course it was God!!! For sincere Christians like the Pilgrims, the difficulty of producing food begins with the expulsion from the Garden of Eden in Genesis and it's always been believed that god punished human sin by bringing about the natural disasters that traditionally made farming so difficult.

That's why harvest festivals like Thanksgiving always feature a big banquet. Much of what Thanksgiving dinner celebrates is the triumph of people over god or the gods and humankind's reconciliation with divinity at the moment of victory over nature.

Much of what Thanksgiving was about the generosity of spirit in sharing food and other bounties of the season, and part of that generosity is extended to god as well.

It's kind of touching in a way.

Of course, now that the United States is no longer an agricultural society, the holiday of Thanksgiving is even less connected with gratitude toward the Christian god than it ever was. Mrs. RSI and I are in our fifties and neither of us have heard about god in relation to Thanksgiving outside the forgettable conventions of saying grace. To the contrary, Thanksgiving was always about taking time off from work, relaxing, enjoying family and getting ready for the even bigger holiday blow-out of Christmas.

And that's the way it should be.

As for god, I don't believe in a god or any other kind of divine presence. But if there is anything divine in the world, I'll be in a very forgiving mood after dinner.

Re: When Did God Come Into Thanksgiving?
by JackDallas

So, you're saying that your wife is a moron too?

Jack

I didn't know
by ducadmo

the giving of thanks could be construed in such a political manner. I prefer not, if you don't mind. Finding God's presence at Thanksgiving is not a property of conservatism, it is a property of the Christian experience.

However, having a firm grasp of the value of generosity without the benefit of any special relationship to God is still something for which to be thankful and so allow me to wish you and your family a blessed Thanksgiving.

Re: When Did God Come Into Thanksgiving?
by riccaric

It pains me to point out the obvious Jack, but my wife is a kind and generous person while you're an arrogant asshole. To give one example, it appears that you brag to girlfriends about the number of times you've cheated on your wife. But everyone knows what a jerk you are from your posting on the Fray.

Good people like my wife are valued by all religions. Unfortunately for you, the same can't be said of arrogant assholes.

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