c'mon Rosenbaum.. really?
by
aaronandrew
11/13/2007, 9:44 PM #
I have to say the guy could bring a decent point without insulting those who feel otherwise as "all these pledge-and-pin, hand-and-heart, loyalty-ritual fetishists." This is the kind of crap that pisses me off about politics these days. If I disagree with you I'm likened to a mindless Nazi (as Rosenbaum goes on to imply). I can put my hand over my heart (during the national anthem) as a representation of how I feel about my country, and still think for my self. I think Obama’s action, or lack-thereof as a lack of respect. Also - one can express respect without being mindlessly loyal. Obviously we all have different ideas of what expressing respect should be.
The first mentioned: "Minnersville School District v. Gobitis" was about children refusing to salute the flag during the pledge. The finding basically said the "ends justify the means." The end being a "unifying sentiment without which there can ultimately be no liberties, civil or religious." While I don't think "unifying sentiment" about justice and liberty comes from the act of saluting the flag, I agree with the statement (also in the finding) that: "It mocks reason and denies our whole history to find in the allowance of a requirement to salute our flag on fitting occasions the seeds of sanction for obeisance to a leader." While I disagree with the ruling, the finding brings up a valid point I think.
The case "Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette" was also about refusing to give a military salute during the pledge, and those who didn't salute were expelled for "insubordination." Almost the exact same situation as in the previous case. I don't think you'll find a reasonable person who'll disagree with that ruling.
Does Rosenbaum mention the circumstances of the case in his argument - children being forced to render a salute during the pledge? No.
I’m amazed that if I disagree with Rosenbaum I get likened to fetishists and Nazis! All for expressing an opinion! That's not argument, that's not debate, that's name-calling. That's pathetic.