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Black metal environmentalists?
by Xaedalus

It makes sense, especially considering the themes of anger, alienation, and hatred. There are those who will always follow the path of misanthropy and will chose to hate rather than to forgive. Fortunately, most people I know who like Black metal like it for the music, but don't live it.

But what really unnerves me about this article is the mention of the philosophies that we as a species should undo our industrialization and return to a primitive, pagan nature-worshipping state. What I wish I could ask someone who represents this mindset and mentality is:

1. Why do you choose to ignore the goods that have come with industrialization? Longer lives, better health, and a deeper scientific understanding of the universe? (I know about the evils that industrialization has brought)

2. Why would you willingly doom the entire human race to eventual extinction? By undoing industrialization, not only do all the advances in medicine and science that allowed humans to expand and extend their lives get removed, but any hope of eventually expanding off Earth and colonizing the stars are gone. Not to mention warding off killer asteroids, extinction-causing volcanic eruptions, etc. We don't currently know if there's life on other planets, and in the unlikely event that this planet is IT in all of the universe (and even if there was life elsewhere), how could any eco-philosopher willingly deny Life itself the ability to expand into new and unknown ecosystems in the hopes of avoiding the eventual planetary death that will kill the earth in two or three billion years when the Sun expands (assuming nothing catastrophic happens between now and then)? Currently, Humanity in all its folly and glory is the only means that Life has to get off the planet and expand, and even survive in the long term.

I'm willing to be corrected on my beliefs here, because to me the statements and beliefs attributed to the eco-philosophers and the black-metal bands in this article are not pro-environment. To me, this is the manifestation of a desperate desire for absolute destruction based out of self-hatred and despair, cloaking itself in an environmentalist cause to give itself validity in today's world.

Re: Black metal environmentalists?
by DanielMee

I don't see the views you are referring to mentioned anywhere in this story, aside from the following sentence:

"He also expresses cautious admiration for Finland's merciless eco-philosopher Pentti Linkola, who argues that the best way out of the environmental crisis lies in a swift, lethal, and authoritarian process of de-industrialization."

If you want to challenge that view, fine, but I don't think it's at all clear that anyone in Wolves in the Throne Room actually espouses it. They play in bars, they go on tour, they put out CDs. Self-identification as a radical environmentalist does not necessarily imply wholesale rejection of the benefits of industrialization.

Re: Black metal environmentalists?
by Xaedalus
Touche, you have a point. I should have paused long enough to tailor my response better. Upon a re-review of the article, the author does state that the band members take care to live off the grid, implying that they espouse a positive view of eco-activism. My issue is with the underlying ethos that the author discussed in the final paragraph.
Re: Black metal environmentalists?
by chrstphrbnntt
'Arminass stepped out of his ship. Unfortunately it was ruined. He set the self-destruct mechanism and walked toward the break in the trees.

The people of the village found him very strange, but eventually came to accept him. In his third week there, the entire village went into an uproar. A girl was pregnant with a young child that had no father.

"Kill it," said Arminass. "Don't make the mother a slave to it, or it a slave to life."

"You're insane!" said the Priest. "Its life is precious too."

Arminass pulled back his sleeve and sliced open his arm. Blood flowed freely. "Material is the means, not the end," he said. Then he asked for a glass, and holding it with his bleeding arm, urinated in it.

Then he drank the urine.

"The world is one continuous thing," he said. "My urine is not poison, nor is my life the only one. Truth is a way we describe accurate predictions or observations of this world. An unwanted baby is extra flesh. I am not concerned with the individuals, or the whole."

The town hipster sauntered over. "Well why don't you kill yourself then?"

Arminass sliced the hipster's head from his shoulders. "I would rather kill you," he said. "I can do useful things besides dying."

Two days later the town was attacked by bandits. The town elders said a defense had to be raised. "I can't do it," said a young man. "I can't kill."

"You are not killing," said Arminass. "You are pruning leaves from a tree, and the tree still lives."

An old man tottered over. "I am so afraid to die," he said. "It hides on my shoulder like a vulture."

"It is better to die for something, than simply to die. And what has your life meant?" said Arminass.

"I've been the head rear-left-screw-tightener at the factory for 41 years."

Arminass handed the man a sword. "All your life people have told you what to do. Now you must tell yourself what you care about enough to die for."

The bandits were beaten back and the dead buried. The Priest was drenched in tears at the sight of so many coffins. "Oh, what a tragedy is war!"

Arminass stabbed the Priest and let blood flow freely. "Without war, we never would have defeated the bandits, but they would have lived among us like parasites. With war, the town is healthier, we survive and move on! More will be born to replace those."

Sure enough, in some years there were more born.

Arminass worked at the library shelving books. People said scornful things to him because he did not earn much money.

One day there was a nuclear war. The banks collapsed, the government went away and anarchy reigned over the land. "Now I earn as much money as any of you," said Arminass, laughing.

When bandits attacked again, he told the town elders: "A gun makes any man likely to be victor, because if he shoots enough, he will hit someone. When they come with swords, let us fight with swords!"

In the next battle over half of the town was killed. "What ill advice he has given," murmured one woman, her face hidden behind a veil.

"You won't know that until you see what the future holds," said Arminass. "We have lost those who could not figure out how to fight off starving, illiterate, not very bright bandits. The half we have left is the better half."

The people of the town came to trust Arminass more and more. He told them when to plant, what to plant, and stopped them from giving away food to wandering mendicants. He made sure they killed all of the people who lived nearby who could not make a town as well functioning as their own town. Some of the women cried, but others looked at Arminass and said, "This is a Man."

this young woman is demonstrating the ambivalence and need to tear it down that most people felt in response to political action in the united states after world war ii The next generation of the town was fruitful, and two decades later Arminass faced the best army in the country.

"We are so powerful, we do not have to engage the others," said one man.

"But we will," said Arminass.

"Why?" cried the daughter of the Priest.

"Because we represent a better order. Look at these people. They strip the trees bare, they live in filth, they have no letters or music to speak of."

"But that's how they want to live," she shot back.

"It's not how I want this country to be," said Arminass. "And since I trust myself, I will do everything I can to crush them."

The people of the town waged a brutal war against the enemy, and when it was over with, there were many casualties but the town controlled the country.

"What do we do now, Arminass?" said the people of the country.

They fixed everything as it was, and got the machines running again and sent people to work. Soon most people had food, shelter and some money left over for entertainment. They began to grow complacent.

"Now it is time for war," said Arminass.

"War against whom?" said the grandson of the Priest.

"War against ourselves," said Arminass. "Modern society has brought you no happiness. We were told the machines would make it so we have to work only three hours a day, but instead we work ten. We were told having a big society with people from all over the world would bring us interesting other cultures, but most are happy with our own. We shall wage war against this stupid system."

"But it is a just system!" said the daughter of the Priest.

"Kill her," said Arminius. "Justice accomplishes nothing. War and planting-time accomplishes something, and if it is not just, the world keeps turning. But we are frozen in time when we worry too much about whether our actions are just."

"We will work with you toward a solution," said the bureaucrats. Arminass had them killed.

"We will work with you toward a solution," said the politicians. Arminass had them killed.

"Together we can make a change," said the religious leaders, before they were killed.

Arminass called the working people together. "The old way does not work anymore. We do not need a society where we fight each other for the privilege of wealth. Our bureaucrats make sure we all have 'justice,' but the price is that we spend longer at work while people fill out paper."

The bureaucrats were all fired and sent to work on the farms. Most died of exhaustion, heat prostration, or medical ailments they did not know they had. Arminass lined them up and asked who had complaints. They all did, except for a handful of people who were suntanned and happy. Arminass had the rest killed.

They took the machines to one part of the center city. Those machines ran all day and all night, with people working four-hour shifts and then going home. "Get to know your families," said Arminass. "None of us knows how much time he has left."

He took all of the costumes, novelties, finery, and entertainment products to the town dump, and burned them. "We do not need these things," said Arminass.

He and his disciples went to those who sold things and destroyed all the products which did not have a survival function. "Meaning is not found in coins and what they can buy," said Arminass.

The disciples went far and wide through the land and counted the people. "We have many people now, Arminass," they said.

"How many are smart enough to understand what we must do?" he said.

"Only about one for every ten," they said.

"Take this knife," he said to each disciple. "Go to those who do not understand and promise them free beer for the rest of their lives if they will let you sterilize them so they cannot breed. Take the chronically poor, the criminal, the drug addicts, the priests and the perverts and drown them in the swamp."

They smashed every television and cash register, and took the plastic toys away from the children. All empty buildings were destroyed, and any roads that were not necessary were replanted with trees.

"Our government is nearly bankrupt," cried the elders.

"Good," said Arminass. "We do not need an economy. From now on, we do things because they must be done to keep our society going."

"But what will we do with our time?" said the people. "There is no structure to our social lives."

"You will do whatever you need to," said Arminass. "You will meet some people, and you will find friends. But ultimately you should realize that you are alone in this life, and socializing will not substitute for having something that makes you feel your life is worth living."

Arminass fixed the people with a fierce stare, and suddenly they fell into a trance.

A warrior was standing nearby. "You are a warrior," said Arminass. "What do you enjoy?"

"I like to climb trees," said the warrior. "I like to walk on the beach with my wife. I like to play with my children, and build furniture for my neighbors. And I like to be a good fighter."

Behind him was a grocer. "What do you enjoy?" said Arminass.

"I like to know what is good meat, and what is bad. I like to pick out the good vegetables and throw away the rotten. I like to make sure that the people who come to my store go home with good food. I like to go to the beach, and I like to tend to my garden."

Next to him was a leader. "What do you enjoy?" said Arminass.

"I like to know the reasons why things turn out the way they do. I like to find out why people act the way they do. I like to solve problems, and have people come to me when they need me to do that. I like to play music, and take my family to the forest where we camp and look up at the eternal stars."

Arminass looked over the people. "As these are, so are you all. What you do for all of us is part of what you do for yourselves. That makes sense, since you are part of the group that is all of us. I want you do to what you enjoy, and thus not require money or my sword to motivate you."

The people went back to their homes, stores, fields, pubs and posts. Except one.

"And what do I do?" said the surly voice of the small man. He was short and stout, was not very smart, not very good looking, not very good at anything, so he did odd jobs around the grocer and the town square.

Arminass poured two beers. He handed one to the surly small man. "You work odd jobs, and do what others tell you to do, and do not worry about the problems of this town," said Arminass.

"That's what I always did," said the small man. "You're just like the rest of them, keeping me down. If it weren't for you, I would be rich."

Arminass pointed across the square. "That grocer was an orphan who had no money, but now he has a store. Did you have two parents?"

"Yes," said the small man.

Arminass waved to the town policeman. "That man started out life as a small baby, fighting for life, blue in the face. Were you born normally?"

"Well, yes I was," said the man.

Arminass thought, told the man to drink his beer, and then pointed to a woman who was tending small children. "Her husband died and left her with no money, but now she has her own store of metalworks and a healthy family. Is your wife alive?"

"Why, yes she is," said the man.

Arminass turned to him and said, "You can see there is a reason why you are what you are, and it is not that I kept you down, or anyone else did. You are at the position life has selected for you. What you should do is rejoice in your freedom from having to worry about the complications of life, and spend your time enjoying it. In fact, I suggest you drink and be merry."

The man drank. "Why are you not drinking?" he asked.

"I must consider the safety of the town," said Arminass. "If tigers show up and I am drunk, I cannot stop them. If a fire breaks out and I am drunk, I cannot smother it. If bandits appear and I am drunk, I cannot fight. This is why you should be glad not to have to serve as I do."

The man considered Arminass. "But isn't that boring?"

"No. It is what life made me to do, and I find that while I would like to be drunk sometimes, I feel better if I am doing what I am made to do, so that my life may have meaning."

The grandson of the Priest came up to Arminass. "You are right on time," said Arminass.

"Why is that?" said the grandson.

"There is no perfect town, nor would we want there to be," said Arminass. "A healthy town needs no Priests, but it needs for there to be error at every step. When the town ceases to be healthy, that error rears its ugly head, and the generation at the time takes care of it. If at some point the people are too weak to overcome it, the town has reached old age and must die."

"That's a lie," said the grandson. "There could be a perfect town."

"There could," said Arminass. "But then it would fall apart inward, since there would be nothing to strive for, no reason for exchange of blows or leaders."

The grandson stabbed him and Arminass coughed blood. "That is your purpose here. It is now time for me to die," said Arminass.

"But what are we to do for a leader?" said a town elder.

"One will come along," said Arminass. "And if he does not, the town is old, and like me, must die."

Arminass died.'

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Most people waste their longer lives and better understanding of the universe on television and beer... what kind of existence is that?

Just contemplate. As a race, we fucking deserve to be killed off by a volcano if it means the planet can live. Unless serious changes are made -- such as the return to an agrarian society -- we will destroy ourselves. Either that, or live on in a mediocre, empty, materialistic society, which is even worse.
Re: Black metal environmentalists?
by chrstphrbnntt

"What to do, when a ship carrying a hundred passengers suddenly capsizes and there is only one lifeboat? When the lifeboat is full, those who hate life will try to load it with more people and as a result, will sink it. Those who love and respect life will take the ship's axe and sever the extra hands that cling to the sides of the boat." - Pentti Linkola

"The most central and irrational faith among people is the faith in technology and economic growth. Its priests believe until their death that material prosperity brings enjoyment and happiness - even though all the historical evidence shows that only need and attempts to achieve cause a life worth living, that the material prosperity doesn't bring anything but despair. These priests believe in technology still when they choke in their gas masks."
- Pentti Linkola

Re: Black metal environmentalists?
by CrookedCubed
Technology is fine, but somewhere along the line we stopped using it and started letting it use us.
Re: Black metal environmentalists?
by RGS

Headupass wandered into town carrying nothing but a student backpack with a mouldery copy of "The Collected Works of Ayn Rand" and a sword. "I am The Uberdude", quoth he. "Bye-bye, Uberdude" quoth the watchman at the gate (who also happened to be the town hipster), pulling out his gun and blowing Headupass' head off.

"Hey, Pentti, pick this bloody corpse up and throw it on the trash heap, ok?" He quothed. "Oh, that's right, you can't - some heartless soul chopped off your hands!"

The watchman tossed the bloody remains on the trash heap, along with the Ayn Rand book. "Elitist craft worship by a writer/thinker who can't write or think" he mused.

"One thing that puzzles me," he quothed. "How come Elitists are never Elite?"

galactic technology can wait, galactic morality is in demand
by GoatLibrarian
Absolutely backwards, Xaedalus! The major follies of humanity may be the greatest obstacles life faces to eventually getting off the planet. It's more a matter of getting back into a sustained global harmony, while still retaining enough technology, or maybe just knowledge enough to rebuild technology, so that the our real starfaring project can be started up at the right time. We'll have hundreds or thousands of years of warning, when the sun finally goes: plenty of time to get back into industrial gear, but with a purpose. Let's face it: if there is ever some mad rush to get off the planet, we're totally doomed. The best defense against immediate catastrophes is good biodiversity and forest cover. In fact, if this galactic ark project is to be of any serious worth, it probably will have to be of such a scale that it will take a good few thousand years at least for us to have enough topsoil built up again so that we can really make a good, well thought out effort, perhaps again tapping into the planet's resource capital of forest and topsoil, but with the main purpose of this ark.

The hatred and despair expressed in black metal (also in many other forms of art) is not something to be denied, but worked through. To assume that these black metal souls are just being gratuitously misanthropic is a grave injustice. Like a lot of people these days, they were probably forced to stay indoors for countless hours through the best years of their youth, had to deal with the maddening social paradoxes and sexual hang ups of our society, and what's more, anger at any of this is forbidden. With a ferocious roar, black metal throws off these taboos, lets us be animals again for a moment and feel OK about being a bit angry about how things are. That's the way to get through things, not by claiming its a "manifestation of a desperate desire for absolute destruction." Though some metalheads may say things like "I have a desperate desire for absolute planetary doom!" they probably just want to sound cool, and really they have a desperate desire to snuggle up with somebody who loves them. Building the morality for the space age is about recognizing these strange contradictions and not blaming people for being how they are, but understanding how the got that way, and how they can be healed. It's total madness to try to expand into space 'sustainably' before we have a good enough system that allows for concerted efforts on many-hundred-year projects. It's going to be tough to build a 'bottom-up' system that can stay focused like that, but I am confident we can meet that challenge when we come to it, if only we can get through this one!"
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