I can't tell a damn thing about what Iowa women think of Hillary from your article. So I'll share what this Iowa woman thinks, I am not a Hillary supporter....not even close. She IS calculating, and prone to obviscation. She doesn't play the gender card so much as she plays the us against them card constantly...it's back to the nasty, tit-for-tat particianship of the 1990's. One more thing, simply because a person is married to ... say...an electrician, doesn't mean they are an experienced electrician!! As an American, a woman, an Iowan and a genetic Democrat...I say NO MORE...no more blow job references, no more vast right wing conspiracy's, no more nights in the Lincoln bedroom for lobbiest, NO MORE BIMBO ERUPTION! It's time to move on, and take on the problems of the Country, and clean up the Constitutional mess Bush has left us, not the problems of the Clinton marriage! VOTE JOE BIDEN! or JOHN EDWARDS or OBAMA or RICHARDSON...but no more Clintons!

I have a simple question for you and people who say the same thing:

When you say she was partisan and vitriolic in the 90's, what exactly are you talking about?

I was alive back then and for the life of me, I remember none of it. I do remember right wingers calling her a possible murder suspect, a stock cheat, a fat ugly bitch, a communist, a lousy wife for not leaving Bill, a lesbian, a woman only a blind man would screw, a shadow President with no credentials, a harpie at work, etc and etc and etc. For the life of me, I can't recall anthing she said about her detractors that comes close to the stuff said about her every single day on radio all over the land, on Fox or in right wing print.

Sounds like you would fit into this category in the story:

"Of the men and women who dislike Clinton, no one mentioned that she'd inappropriately used her gender. The nearly universal complaint was that she was too calculating and dishonest, which was actually the argument put forward by those men at the Philadelphia debate. "

Are you planning to attend the caucus on the 3rd?

Yes, husband is the Caucus Leader here in our small town, and we together are the Precinct Captains for Biden. I have attended every caucuse since 1980. I could even explain the purpose and reasons that Iowa Caucuses are so important. Also could explain the "math" involved with getting delegates to the county, State and National conventions. Was a delegate to the State convention for Paul Songas back in the day. Worked for McGovern in North Carolina, where I had to register and vote as an independent because the Orange Co. KKK ran the polls then. I voted twice for Bill Clinton, and still think he was a good President, and without his personal shortcomings, would have been a Great President. My great grandmother who was 97 years old when she died in May, always said whenever she heard Hillary speak: "That woman isn't nearly as smart as SHE thinks she is." I'm backing Biden. Thanks for replying to my post! p.s. Harry Truman chucked me under the chin when I was 18 months old and said: "Hi Brighteyes". I sincerely wish I could back the first serious woman to run for President of the United States, but I can't. Should she get the nomination, I will vote for her because she's a Democrat.

She was part of the hyper-cynical, triangulating Clinton Machine, the first presidency to basically constantly campaign. Perhaps that had as much to do with how politics and campaigning changed during the Clinton presidency, but it seemed like it was a campaign 24/7.

She slimed women, truly ruined them, who came forward with solid credible complaints that Clinton groped and came close on occasion to raping them. She and Billy abused power in the Arkansas governorship and White House in such low-class, petty, personal ways. Not Watergate stuff, or WMD stuff, just crappy, slimy, personal aggrandizing, arrogant, "how can treat people that way?" stuff.

The "investments" she and Bill got were astoundingly successful, like, call the mathmatician to calculate the odds of them being this successful, kind of thing, wink, wink.

She was part of the Clinton War Room, an us against them bunker mentality. She and Bill were not simply victims being beaten on by the Republicans (though they were attacked, viciously). She was as much the Clinton White House as Bill, and as big part of the whole problem of Bill Clinton's character, which is the basis for his poor reputation as a person, not a president.

I don't like Hillary one bit. I will probably vote for her though, assuming Obama doesn't get the nomination, and assuming Giuliani or Romney gets the nod for the GOP.

Why? Because the Real Hillary is a hard-as-nails, ball busting, super smart, workaholic, long range planning, conniving, unprincipled, calculating, win-at-all-costs bitch who exists to obtain and wield power. We might need that in a president in this day and age, not the Fantasy Hillary, the one who just wants what's good for the people who gets beaten up by mean white male Republicans.

So your complaint is that she believed her husband and defended him. You also complain that she participated in political discussions of which you were not party to nor have any first hand evidence or proof or transcripts. You also blame her for being a centrist which in your view means triangulation or some other such thing. I guess her biggest problem is that

a. She was a devoted wife.

b. She was interested in politics.

c. She wanted to make things happen and so did Bill.

d. She did not appear to be an ideologue.

Even though she is not my pick, after thinking about her in these terms, she sounds pretty damn good.

Sorry you missed the 1990's, I didn't, and you apparently missed completely the "I never had sex with that woman"...or view the Clinton deposition that got his law license suspended....but all that aside, don't agree at all with our other brethren's attacks of Hillary, the one thing I totally understand and admire about her is that she stays and does really care about her husband and her family....her one true admirable virtue. I understand that marriage, it is very similiar to Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelts, where the sum of the parts is greater then they are individually. I will quote my dear, worldly 97 year old grandmother who died in May, whenever she heard Hillary speaking: "She's not nearly as smart as SHE thinks she is". Is is NOT the most experienced person running for PResident on the Democratic side...BUT she is far FAR better then anyone the GOP is putting up.

I see your point, the wife has to sleep with the man so therefore she should be judged using his record not hers. Broad brush and all that. Phooey.

Look, I don't like her simply because it will bring up the same old tripe about sex, cigars, whitewater, etc. I think she is calculating, yes. Ever seen a President who wasn't? Why even our dear old Jerry Ford gave Dick a pardon, that was pretty damn calculating at the time.

As for sleeping through the 90's, I pretty much read at least 3-4 newspapers a day all over the world in that decade so I did not miss a thing. I just hate to see someone who is obviously in a position of political power, that is you, using idiotic talking points as the criteria for picking the next candidate. Iowans seem to pride themselves on being involved and political. They want the right to pick first over all the rest of us in some sort of divine right or something innate. Well, if you are going to wield that much power, look at the issues and don't listen to dear ole grannie, she does not know her either.

anymore than I blame Eleanor for Franklin Roosevelts short comings. My beloved grandmother was sharp as hell, she watch C-span faithfully, and any and all news....she survived the Spanish flu in 1919, was a working woman back in the day, a single mom, and an union organizer at one time. She voted in the second election women were allowed to vote in. She new a hell of alot more about the world and women in it, than you or Senator Clinton will ever know...EVER. Trust me, Gram NEW how to wield power, without the help of or on the draft winds of her husband. And when she say's Senator Clinton isn't nearly as smart as SHE thinks she is....I'll believe her anyday over the likes of you or Hillary Clinton.

It's all in the eye of the beholder, Wooley.

and want a "tour" of the caucuses....look me up. I would be happy to give you a natives tour of Iowa, grew up in Des MOines, family still lives there, ancestors homesteaded outside Praire City, and live in a small town 40 minutes SE of Des Moines.

I'm glad we are on the same side. I am supporting Biden and worry that the "rock stars" will suck all the oxygen out of the campaign and make it hard for him to get an traction. Clearly if people were to view the campaign as a job interview, Biden would win.

By the time that Colorado has it's caucus the decision will be made for us.

Iowa is best hope to get past the rock starts...but even with that, any of the six Democrats are head and shoulders above the GOP field, and Biden is more than head and shoulders above the Dem's....his only fault..BOY is he ever a close talker, I mean right up in your space and face!