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Summary: Your Requests
by Freditor_G Editor
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Here's a list of changes you guys requested. I may have cut out one or two things I couldn't comprehend. I've tried to include them all, whether or not I think they're feasible or desirable. Bug reports involving cross-browser compatibility will be dealt with separately.

1) Transparent Rankings - this is a contentious issue. But the overall weight of opinion seems to be in favor of transparent against anonymous. Am I mistaken?

2) Reply Tracker - Most everyone who responded wants something like the old MBTU. Various technical obstacles to that wish have been explained to me. We'll be sitting down for a good think on this one - expect something, but more consistent with the site's current architecture than its former.

3) Threaded View Too Small - Many complaints that the post box is too short in threaded view. We're locked into a fixed height - however, we can probably make it larger. Tentative proposal - we quadruple its current size. Many also complain it's too narrow. I'm afraid we're locked into the current width.

4) Thread Box Below Post Box - A reasonable request - not sure if it's feasible, but let me know if you like the current layout (Thread Box on top in threaded view). Otherwise, we may request that it be relocated.

5) Thread Box Default Changed - Many requests that "Expand All Replies" be set to the default for Threaded View. For those looking for a fast way to "Expand All" - right click on the Thread Box - a menu should pop up letting you do so.

6) Color of Visited Hyperlinks - Complaints that hyperlinks don't change color when you visit them. This should be easy to fix, and I'll be looking into it.

7) Block User - This is a source of some conflict behind the scenes. A lot of requests we bring it back. It's a complicated feature. But we'll sit down and give it a think-through.

8) EOM Function - Several complaints about this. In the redesign, we turned it off. It can't be done anymore. Some of you want it back, other complaints seemed to suggest it's still possible. We'll give this some further thought. Don't get your hopes up.

9) Next Post Function - Several users wanted the return of the old "Next Post" function. It was hard to tell whether complaints referred to individual posts within "Threaded View" or to movement from top-post to top-post within a forum. Given that the former can be solved by switching to "Flat View" and the latter can be solved in as many clicks as before (click back to the forum, then click the next post) we probably won't request it.

10) Exclude Author Field From Search Results - one user complained that searching for her own name returns posts submitted by her. Not a pressing concern, but it would be nice to add a "NOT" feature to the search engine (i.e., all posts containing "Geoff" but NOT written by Geoff). This will require some back-side discussion and thinking before deciding what to ask for.

11) Users Attach Own Article Tags - Right now, the editors can add tags to associate a post with a Slate article - we've just been a little too busy to do much of that kind of work. We might experiment with giving you that ability, if it's feasible.

12) Users Modify Own User Names - None of you asked for this, but my inbox has been going crazy with people requesting fixes to improperly registered User Names (accidentally using real names, typos). This will be on the list of things to fix.

13) Stair-Step or Outline Number Flat View - Some of you asked for a visual expression of the conversation's structure in the Flat View. Given the horizontal dimensions we have to work with, stair-stepping is out of the question. Outline tagging is probably also not feasible (given how many levels deep it can go). Since Threaded View provides that information, we might not do anything about this. But we'll give it some further thought.

14) Edit Your Own Posts - Sheesh. There's no saving people from their own typos. Still, a reasonable request was ability to edit posts for the same duration as one could retract them. That's a strong maybe - if it's easy, OK. If not - c&p your post when you delete it, then make the edits from there.

15) Preview Pane Shows Two Posts - Right now, the Preview Tab shows the post you're responding to. That does seem unnecessary, and we'll see if we can remove that.

16) Absolute Time Stamp - Recent posts are indicated with time stamps like "20 minutes ago", "Yesterday", and "Today." I agree that these are less helpful than absolute time stamps ("06-17-07 at 10:30am"). We'll look into changing that.

17) Space Below in Composition Box - The default "Space Below" for paragraphs in the Rich Text Editor is set to 12 pt. I've probably been in the publishing industry too long - 0 pt below creates a million hassles... in our case, when we're using your material for Fraywatch and appends. In your case if you're composing in a sensibly configured version of MS Word. Shouldn't be hard to change, but using entire line breaks to space paragraphs is a very twentieth century no-no. We'll see... in the meantime "Shift+Enter" for all you angry poets.

18) Permalinks for Sub-Posts - One of you asked for this, though in very different words. Something you could click on to link you directly to the sub-post within Flat View. That'd be pretty helpful for us editors too. We'll work on that.

19) Intermediate Page - When you select a result from your list of recent posts, your favorites page, or a search result, it takes you an intermediate page. You can only see the sub-post with a link to "View Complete Thread." We'll see if we can cut out that middle page. Barring that, we'll try and add some useful information to it.

20) Presidential Caucus Icons - Ugh. OK, we'll think about it. It shouldn't be too hard. We'll probably consider it again in the post-development phase, since that's a time-sensitive frill more than a core feature.

21) Shaded Subject Box - There was a complaint that the subject box isn't shaded, and so there's no visual contrast between a post's title and it's body. Agreed. We'll see what we can do.

22) Jump to Post from Thread to Flat - You try distilling this complaint into three words... when you're reading a sub-post in threaded view, and you switch to flat, why can't you find yourself at the sub-post's permalink? I think this is determined by the way the new Fray is set up, and we couldn't fix it without sacrificing the "one-page-load-per-conversatio­n" feature. Though it's an aggravation, I don't think it's worth losing so much speed over.

23) Heighten Contrast in Quote Box - The "black on dark grey" of the quote box is apparently hard on some eyes. We'll try and bleach out the background a little more.

24) Polling Function and Private Messages - No.

Did I miss something (bear in mind, your complaint may have been merged with similar ones)? Did you?

Re: Summary: Your Requests
by bubbuh
The consensus did seem to be in favor of transparent rankings. I will be interested to see how you will prevent this from becoming moot. The "pollsters" will almost certainly take over the rate button for their own purposes as it stands.
m'eh...
by Freditor_G Editor

I suspect that how this place functions will change greatly as it ages. It'll be intriguing to see how it does or doesn't.

But, using the rankings for polls doesn't seem like the end of the world. After all, most polls will divide opinions - so the pros and cons should drive them more towards the middle-range of the rankings than up towards the top where the most widely admired posts lie (he says with hope).

If "Poll: Do you like puppies?" becomes the most popular post... well, at least it confirms the wisdom of keeping an editor around this place.

About the settings in our Profiles?
by ann---
I have set the Time Zone as (GMT -5:00) Eastern Time (US and Canada) since I live in PA - but the time indicated on the posts is always 2 hours ahead. Will it always be this way? It's not really a huge problem, I realize that, but I just wanted to know if anyone else had this problem or if it's Firefox or just something I'm not doing right. Thanks.
Re: m'eh...
by bubbuh
You underestimate polls, especially badly worded ones.That's good pollsters get the big bucks. But, time will tell.
Re: About the settings in our Profiles?
by bubbuh
You're in The Fray Zone. All time is Fray time. The time zone setting is just to show how helpless we are!-)
What I've noticed about the ratings
by cgScirocco_

feature is that, since it became anonymous, people (at least in BB) don't seem to use it as much.

In BB, it seemed to be driven more about individuals expressing their 'feelings' (as friends, comrades, arch enemies, rivals and such) for each other, rather than the substance of the post.

I think the anonymity helps the function. For some people...all they're concerned with is..."what's the point of using it if no one can see it's me...".

You're mocking me here, I just know it.
by topazz

10) ..."one user complained that searching for her own name returns posts submitted by her. Not a pressing concern, but it would be nice to add a "NOT" feature to the search engine (i.e., all posts containing "Geoff" but NOT written by Geoff). This will require some "back-side discussion" and thinking before deciding what to ask for.

It may be a trivial request...
by Freditor_G Editor

But the ability to search by exclusion is pretty basic stuff. I don't think "authored by" should be automatically excluded from general search results. But under the advanced feature, you should be able to search for all posts by topazz which don't mention Iraq, or all posts about Iraq which aren't written by topazz, etc., etc.

I think that got lost along the way somewhere, or else it can be done, but not the way I thought it could.

OK, that's enough.
by topazz

throwing down my latest issue of People Magazine in disgust.

cgScirocco
by DrNo

"I think the anonymity helps the function. For some people...all they're concerned with is..."what's the point of using it if no one can see it's me...". "

True enough, but I think most people simply want to see who is up and downranking them, who is clique-ranking, what respected poster up-ranks them, what lesser poster downranks them (or vice versa), who uses the ranking feature for personal prosletization, who uses it judiciously.

I think transparency trumps opaqueness.

Geoff: #15
by DrNo

15) Preview Pane Shows Two Posts - Right now, the Preview Tab shows the post you're responding to. That does seem unnecessary, and we'll see if we can remove that.

I think showing the responded to post in the preview pane a most enabling feature. Please keep it.

I have noticed, though, the rich text editor loses all content when when one jumps to other sites for link purposes, much as did the very old fray, which is partially why Rob_Said_That created Fraymatter, which is still an improvement over your rte.

I haven't yet tried Fraymatter in the new fray, but think many (perhaps all) of it's features would enhance the new fray.

Are Fraymatter and your rte interoperable? If not, they should be.

Dogs never get old enough...
by Freditor_G Editor

I've never heard of Fraymatter before (except as a user's handle).

Could you email a description of what it is and where it can be found? (something I can shoot straight up to the dev/tech team)

Sub-Post permalinks in Flat View
by Freditor_G Editor

Click that tiny number sign next to the time-stamp of a sub-post in a Flat View thread.

(I know, I know... but at least it's there)

Re: Geoff: #15
by JackD
Agreed re post being replied to. That is very useful. Not everyone memorizes, or claims to, what they have just read.
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