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Poets in Public Places
by Ted Burke
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I mean no disrespect to those bards willing to risk humiliation by allowing their voices to go out over the internet's ether, but most of the poets who are featured in Slate each Tuesday sound as though they are waking up from a druggy, dreamless sleep, are bound and gagged with old socks crammed in their mouths and secreted away in a trunk kept in the storage space under the stairs, or have recently been on the receiving end of electroshock therapy. An unusual exception is this week's poet, Barry Spacks, who reads loud and clear, but who still falls under the shadow of inexperience; he exclaims like a guard suddenly woken up by his commanding officer, ie, the words come out fast, like barking, as if the stanzas were warnings to stay back. Add your own sour description. But the problem is that the good poet's habit of destroying a good piece of work with an indifferent , retarded, and emotionally stunted performance is hardly isolated; one can nearly drive a truck over the dense layering of constant droning that originates with the flaccid readings the ill-spoken bards hand us. It is as inviting as asphalt rash.

The bottom line is that few poets in that forum sound happy to be doing the reading; it sounds as if they're grumbling that they have to work , for chrissakes, and life is not fair and things are rotten, and for the money they receive, these otherwise honorable scribes hand us the slowest, driest, least-contaminated-by-joy recital they can devise in their vengeful little heads.This does not encourage me to buy their books. It makes me think that poetry is something of a self-serious sham when it's read in these portentous, un-inflected ways.

Let's put some life in these readings, OK. If one lacks the pulse sufficient enough to make these poems sound interesting, they might do themselves and the readership and decline the offer to record their voice. A bad performance embarrasses everyone.

Someone I was talking to in a net forum about this situation recommended that I observe HBO's "Def Poetry Jam", where writing and performance are more obvious than one get elsewhere on pay-TV.I agree that there are some amazing writer/performers on that show, but it often goes too far in the other direction.

Every word has to be absolutely per-formative, every gesture has to be over-sized, large, exaggerated beyond need, every line has to be declaimed as if it were the neutron bomb of punchlines, and just about every voice of every reader has to follow the same rhythmic pitch, the same inexplicable accelerations and slowing downs, the same beat-box repetition's of vowels that destroy an idea rather than reinforce it. It's a monotony of content and presentation that makes the weekly line up seem nearly as form-fitted as the mainstream, academic, white-bread poets that are very easy to make fun of. It's something of an old joke straight from Lil Abner, where all the kids want to be nonconformists just like everybody else.

I would be very interested if HBO gave Quincy Troupe a deal where he could produce and select the talent, as he has for the last twelve years in La Jolla with his brilliantly arranged series Artists at the Cutting Edge , which sadly ended six years following a scandal involving Troupe's academic record. All the same,Troupe knows that quality needs to be matched with quality, and the poets and writers he's brought to San Diego would be an example for the producers of Def Poetry Jam as a means of livening up-their mix: Derek Walcott, Allen Ginsberg, Tony Morrison, Charles Wright, Bei Doa, Jerome Rothenberg, Amiri Baraka, Gary Snyder, David Foster Wallace and scores of others, of many races, creeds, colors and politics , have all read in this series. Most, also, were able performers of their own material, and it is from these writers , scribes who've not only discovered their voice in their work but also a way in which to verbally dramatize it, who are fit and diverse models for those who imagine themselves ready to move beyond the rhythms and clicks that comes through their head sets.
Re: Poets in Public Places
by Jonesey

EXACTLY WHAT DOES THIS MEAN: Do not post any material that violates the legal rights or privacy of others, including material that is defamatory, infringing, obscene, pornographic, abusive, or otherwise unlawful. Remember, you can be held legally liable for what you write in "The Fray."

I just need to know before I sue the shit out of someone.

Re: Poets in Public Places
by Ted Burke

It seems clear to me. You might ask a lawyer.

Re: Poets in Public Places
by Jonesey

I'm sorry, I thought you were him:

"Law.com state and regional resources provide you with local and national news, ... partners, including Chief Executive Ted Burke and senior partner Guy Morton, ..."

My bad.

Re: Poets in Public Places
by Artemesia

What did your post have to do with the Op Ed about Poets in Public Places? I couldn't find it.
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Re: Poets in Public Places
by Ted Burke
No article needed. It's a forum for commentary on articles in Slate and poetry topics in general. Any comments? I'm sure they'd be interesting.
Maybe it would be better
by catnapping

if they hired readers, or found a few folks from the Slate staff who aren't afraid to read aloud...

I think some folks are just shy. Although there have been a few times, I wondered if the poet thought it would be unsophisticated - uncool - to sound like he liked his own poem.

Re: Maybe it would be better
by Nightengale2

Or better yet.. A long time frayster who is an experianced and able, well versed in the genuine dynamics of good poetry should do it.

Lunesta would well fit that bill!

I have heard her speaking voice via phone and it is quite pleasing and well modulated.

Hmmm... wonderful idea that gave me this food for thought, catnapping.

<smile>

Re: Poets in Public Places
by JackRabbitt

More nails on a blackboard.

Let the poets read their work.

It's their work.

It's not drama.

I doubt anyone could do better even if all the gushing int he world were applied.

By the by, I disagree with whomever is apparently doing all the fawning and gushing.

Let the poets be poets.

This is not an ad for a new car.

Good stuff, Ted. The MFA Monotone ...
by Lunesta

someone on here (NoStar??) used to call that FLAT, monotonous, half-asleep, half-drugged reading voice so many of the Tuesday poets use. I stopped listening to the posted poets years ago,
because, quite frankly, they ALL sound the same.

Interesting about Q. Troupe's project and how it had to end; have you thought of contacting HBO yourself, and Troupe, to put it together? Actually, with YOUR fine reading voice, you should be doing the Tuesday readings. The Slate could pay you -- as they should have done, anyway, for a long time now! -- and get a far better reading at the same time as relieving these poor, untalented Tuesday poets of their burden & ennui, having to do the readings for Pinsky. Angel & waltz & capsize also have wonderful voices for reading poems, as evidenced on Angel's fine 9/11 memorial website, and they could read the poems written by the women, maybe.

I bet Meghan O'Rourke has a great voice, too. (Do you remember?) Thanks for a thought-provoking and on-topic Top post.

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Best voices on here: Ted, Angel and
by Lunesta
waltz and capsize, all terrific readers. Next, martin with his drama background. Then, maybe, someone else. See my post to Ted above, if you have a minute. The PFray looks pretty darn lively today for a place that some predicted would "die" with the absence of a certain recently departed poster and leadership figure, no? I guess some of us are not going to just roll over and play dead. Thank The Goddess Ted is apparently among those. :-)
Re: Best voices on here: Ted, Angel and
by Nightengale2

It does! it's very nice in here, today!

Re: Poets in Public Places
by MarkEHaag

Well, the public reading monotone is a plague on the land of poetry, for certain. But the problem is that reading out loud effectively is a skill or a gift that most people don't have these days. Only actors are trained to do this now. I've always thought it would be good for poets or poetry impresarios to hire actors to do the readings. You don't ask Billy Collins to act Shakespeare; writers only feel the text in their heads; they haven't learned to think with their voices and hands.

Of course, a really good poem, I've always felt, is very much meant to be spoken and a poet has to have a strong inner ear. Maybe the fact that so many contemporary poets don't know how to read their own work out loud is due to a failure to cultivate that inner ear, which then would be seen as the real cause of so much of today's poetic mediocrity.

Re: Poets in Public Places
by Ted Burke

More nails on a blackboard.

Not really; too many poets who read their poems in public have no idea how to read their own rhythms and cadences, assuming they have any. It's more like enduring a dutiful worker move the vacuum cleaner around the hall very slowly.

Let the poets read their work.

I'm not suggesting otherwise; let the poets who decide to read publicly read their work better.

It's their work.

If a poet has the gumption to dare a public airing of his or her work, paid or not, they should at least present their writing as if they believed it was good and worth coming out for. This doesn't mean shouting histrionics or Dylan Thomasoid arm waving; it does mean projecting, speaking clearly, and demonstrating a sense of the poem's pulse.

It's not drama.

It's not singing in the shower either. While it might not be drama, it is still performance, and an audience has a reasonable expectation of getting the best a reader has to offer.

I doubt anyone could do better even if all the gushing int he world were applied.

I think several of us can do a more interesting and emphatic reading compared to some of the anemic renditions we hear week after week.

By the by, I disagree with whomever is apparently doing all the fawning and gushing.

Thanks for that exclusive.

Let the poets be poets.

Poets are going to be poets no matter what you tell them. But poets who read in public don't have to suck when they do it.

This is not an ad for a new car.

What a gyp...

Re: Poets in Public Places
by august

Indeed.

My sense is that "drama" for a lot of poets means exaggerated pauses, a slightly (or terribly) rising tone at the end of the line, and an exaggerated air of portent, rather like a five year old announcing the dangers of the monsters in the closet.

It happens that the exceptions to this trend that come to my mind are Irish: Paul Muldoon, Seamus Heaney, and Eilean Ni Chuilleanain. I don't mean to be contributing to dusty stereotypes, but I do think there is a culture there that attunes writers to the musicality of ordinary speech, as opposed to the ham-handed attempts to turn a reading into a verbal Cirque du Soleil.

Curious -- have you seen readings in other languages? I've seen a couple of German readings and I'm afraid they suffer from anoverbearing sense of, mmmm, self-importance akin to that which hovers over American bards. Surely, though, the eastern europeans can read poetry?

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