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Put yourself in her shoes.
by jules1984@hotmail.com
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I think a lot of people are missing the "princess bride's" main point. She is head-over heals for someone who only ever acts like he sorta likes her. He may tell her she's beautiful and all that but it sounds like she doesn't feel he really means it. It sounds like everyone is taking her too literally and missing the problems.

She doesn't want the man to drop dead when he's away from her, she is simply upset that he goes on long business trips and DOESN'T EVEN MISS HER! They have only been married a short time!

She doesn't want to create drama, just wants to FEEL like he cares about her.

She is a very emotionally expressive person and he is not. He may truly love her, but after all their dating and engagement, why is it that SHE constantly has to tone down HER feelings while HE never has to amp up HIS.

I am dating a distant man like this and its not easy. You KNOW they love you but occasionally you just lose it! You get yourself convinced that if you stopped calling him you would never see him again. This isn't true of course but it doesn't mean the young lady is crazy.

How does the 80's song go? Want you to want me, need you to need me, love you to love me?

never, never, never
by dumb_blonde

post your personal information,(e-mail addy) unless you want every joe blow & his brother to start e-mailing you.

Re: never, never, never
by otter357

yeah listen to the dumb blonde, jules. She's right. And I think you are too, ...sort of..and I'm a man, and not that touchy feely either.

So: DON'T press him to be more emotive. Rather, make yourself consistently a safe place to be, and he will unwrap some. People that didn't have great childhoods, lots of fighting, this too I understand. They want to be calm, because being pounded on and spit on as a little kid is effecting.

I think therapy is nifty sometimes, but, you can't pathologicalize him, nor does that seem to be appropriate. But if looked at as an emotional exploration, a seminar on emotional growth, getting an owner's manual for the emotional brain, he might one day agree to go with you, and enjoy it, and benefit from it.

That said, I have learned a lot from therapy, and over the years, become a more whole, more emotionally diverse person with a wider range. But that will come after he feels safe, feels the fun of potential enrichment and learning that could come from therapy of some kind that you might suggest after he's sure you don't take the position that you're all right and he's an emotional cripple.

There will be times when you'll appreciate his even keeledness. Good luck you two! Remember, he's not something to be 'fixed'.

May I quote Kipling? Hardly the most socially enlightened man, but he has something for you. Here it is: "Softly, softly catchee monkey"

Re: Put yourself in her shoes.
by IncogNeato

You can change your nickname to something anonymous, and this one will disappear. Old messages will have the new name. Or at least that's how it used to work.

Now my point. How does she know he doesn't miss her while he's away? Did she ask him, or is it because the third time each morning when she calls to say she misses him, he tells her he's in a meeting and can't talk to her?

I feel sorry for her kid. My kids would go one trips up to 1-2 weeks with church, scouts, or school, and I'd be lucky if I got a call or a postcard. Usually I didn't. Did they miss me? Sure, in their way. But they had the business of being kids and experiencing new places to deal with. They talked my ear off when they got back, unless I tried to ask them too much about it.

Just say no to dead-ends.
by gypsy

Dear, I fear we're facing a problem

you love me no longer, I know
and maybe there is nothing
that I can do to make you do
Mama tells me I shouldn't bother
that I ought to stick to another man
a man that surely deserves me
but I think you do!

So I cry, and I pray and I beg

Love me love me
say that you love me
fool me fool me
go on and fool me
love me love me
pretend that you love me
leave me leave me
just say that you need me

So I cried, and I begged for you to
Love me love me
say that you love me
leave me leave me
just say that you need me
I can't care about anything but you

Lately I have desperately pondered,
spent my nights awake and I wonder
what I could do have done in another way
to make you stay
Reason will not lead to solution
I will end up lost in confusion
I don't care if you really care
as long as you don't go

So I cry, I pray and I beg

Love me love me
say that you love me
fool me fool me
go on and fool me
love me love me
pretend that you love me
leave me leave me
just say that you need me

So I cried, and I begged for you to
Love me love me
say that you love me
leave me leave me
just say that you need me
I can't care about anything but you

Love me love me
say that you love me
fool me fool me
go on and fool me
Love me love me
I know that you need me
I can't care about anything but you

Re: Put yourself in her shoes.
by PhysicsGirl

she is simply upset that he goes on long business trips and DOESN'T EVEN MISS HER!

And how does she know? I'm certain he doesn't call and say, "Guess what honey? I'm on a trip and I don't miss you one bit!"

She doesn't want to create drama, just wants to FEEL like he cares about her.

Which is her problem. She wants him to act in a way that is not natural to him. She doesn't say that he's acting differently now, so why would his behavior become unacceptable now?

I am dating a distant man like this and its not easy. You KNOW they love you but occasionally you just lose it! You get yourself convinced that if you stopped calling him you would never see him again

He wouldn't be named Danny, would he? I dated a guy like that. It didn't work so I moved on to a person who better fit with me. And that's really the problem in this case. People are who they are and it's very hard to change your base personality. If she needs an emotional person, than she shouldn't have married someone who isn't. You can't just wave a magic wand and change who a person is.

Re: Put yourself in her shoes.
by PhysicsGirl
Sorry about using italics instead of quoting ... the computer didn't seem to like it for some reason. I'm simply far too tired to mess with it further.
Re: Put yourself in her shoes.
by RML

"You get yourself convinced"

And there it is.

Since when is this poor guy responsible for pre-responding to "what ifs". This chick is shooting for a self-fulfilling prophecy. She seems determined to find a situation where he will let her down even though he reminds her he loves her, accepts her child into his life even though it isnt his, and works hard to keep up his end of things.

I rarely find Prudie especially good at advice about men and women-she is all too often skewed in a major way-but in this case, she is right. The guy is not the problem. The LW is.

LIFE is not a fairy tale lady. There are moments of great joy and happiness and between them are moments of sheer boredom and even sadly moments of great disappointment and pain. Marriage is like a roller coaster-the sooner you accept this the better if you want your marriage to last. Those who hang on to each other and the rail through the ups and downs and thrills and spills grow old together and do a lot of laughing and loving along the way-those who throw their hands up in the air before the thrills tend to get asked to step off the ride.

Re: Put yourself in her shoes.
by Ketone

RML:
LIFE is not a fairy tale lady. There are moments of great joy and happiness and between them are moments of sheer boredom and even sadly moments of great disappointment and pain. Marriage is like a roller coaster-the sooner you accept this the better if you want your marriage to last. Those who hang on to each other and the rail through the ups and downs and thrills and spills grow old together and do a lot of laughing and loving along the way-those who throw their hands up in the air before the thrills tend to get asked to step off the ride.

Well, that's true . . . if you picked someone who is right for you to begin with. I think it's just as crazy to suggest that a woman stick with a guy who doesn't satisfy her fundamental needs, as it is to think that this guy will ever change (in a drmatic way) for her.

Different people get their "juice" in different ways -- some skydive, some love their work, and some thrive on the intensity of interpersonal connection (including romance). I don't begrudge them that, but they should choose a mate wisely.

It's not entirely clear to me how much this LW actually needs romance (people need to discriminate between what they really need and what would just be nice), but it sounds as if she's pretty serious about it. If so, she should first ascertain whether her suspicions about this guy are correct, or if she's just over-worrying. If they are correct, then she should then accept that this guy is not going to change for her, and decide whether she can live with that.

Re: Put yourself in her shoes.
by vanya

"I truly feel that if I left tomorrow, he wouldn't think twice about it. I'm not sure he would fight for me if it came down to it."

That's the one that gets me, and I've heard it before. First, why would she be leaving tomorrow? Because he wouldn't fight for her if she did? Kind of circular, isn't it? Second, does she rationally believe what she feels emotionally, that he wouldn't mind? If so, then she's probably reading him wrong. If not, then she's clearly the one with a problem. Finally, who is it that he's supposed to be fighting? Her, isn't it? He's fight against her, for her. I suspect he doesn't want to fight at all. He's had enough of that. If she really cares about him, why does she want to make him fight? Again, she's the one with a problem, and if she leaves him and finds someone who satisfies her pathologies, she'll just be feeding a bad habit.

Re: Put yourself in her shoes.
by Tom_Tildrum

I agree. That line suggested to me that she needs some instability and drama in her relationships.

The hell of it, he thinks he does too. Or at least, he picked a wife who is unstable and overdramatic because that fits the image of married life that he learned as a child.

Re: Put yourself in her shoes.
by Heleva

IMHO only an really insecure needy person would act this way and its idiotic to put yourself in her shoes.

exactly, tom. i rarely feel sorry for people
by deduction
i rarely feel sorry for people in relationships because they choose to be in them. if you don't like a person, don't hook up with them. it's just that simple. it's stupid to get together with a person and then continuously complain about them to every tom, dick and harry who will listen (or in this case read). and that goes for both parties- it's not a gender specific thing. i really wonder what made these two people get together in the first place if they are as unsuited as the LW implies.
Re: Put yourself in her shoes.
by akzidenzgrotesk
personally, i think she should just talk to him about it. i'm with a guy who's much the same as her husband, but after a lot of talking and a lot of trying different things (and frankly, a lot of frustration on both our parts), we're getting it together. that is, if it's something tangible she needs more of, which in my case it was. sex, cuddling and attention were my needs that weren't being fullfilled to the extent i wanted, and i told him so. he then worked to be better at fullfilling my stated needs while telling me he needed things like the occassional night to himself or podcasts that bore me to sleep or excessive amounts of backscratching, which i work to fullfill. the trick is, you have to know what you want, and you have to ask for it. then, and only then, if he still refuses to even attempt to fullfill these needs, then you have a problem. if she doesn't know what she wants and all she does know is that he's not doing it, whatever this amorphous it might be, then she probably made a mistake in marrying him.
Re: exactly, tom. i rarely feel sorry for people
by Heleva

" i rarely feel sorry for people in relationships because they choose to be in them. if you don't like a person, don't hook up with them."

I agree.

He chose...poorly.

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