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Condoms vs. abortion
by diverwpg

The math seems simple. Given condoms approx 90% success rate, there would be fewer unwanted pregnancies thus fewer abortions.

Face it - people are going to have sex no matter how much we preach at them. Teach people safe sex practices and condom use along with abstinence teachings. Let them sort out the morality for themselves.

In the long run it will be more cost effective and hopefully less divisive.

Re: Condoms vs. abortion
by brison3

"Face it - people are going to have sex no matter how much we preach at them. Teach people safe sex practices and condom use along with abstinence teachings. Let them sort out the morality for themselves."

But the only true and honest "safe sex" practice is not to engage in intercourse until you are ready to accept the outcomes that the action could bring forth, including pregnancy.
Also teach that no one has a "right" to sexual activity. It is a privilage to be exercised with responsibility. What does this mean for that 10% that you are proposing will get pregnant anyway if you use the condom? It means they will re-orient their lives around the baby that man and woman will now be having. Will this be taught as well in these sex Ed classes?

"Let them sort out the morality for themselves."

Such as approach has never worked well. It didn't work for racial descrimination or gender descrimination(just show them that all races and genders are equal and let them sort out the morality for themselves). The fact is, LAW was used to force compliance and behavior until enough time passed that such things were seen as normal. The law forced whites and non-whites together until it was no longer out-of-the-ordinary.

this is ultimately the only thing that will solve the the so-called "unwanted pregnancy" issue is to confront the true, root causes of it(the selfish attitudes that result in a guy and girl calling a baby "unwanted") and the solution(just like we told white supremecists they would have to live with "unwanted negroes"). We must must put forth again and again that all babies, planned or unplanned, will be accepted by those that made them and the selfishness and whining of the mother and father("but I didn't plan for this") needs to be confronted head-on and the irresponsible guys and girls informed that accepting outcomes of your decisions, even those that weren't "planned" is part of adulthood and maturity.



Re: Condoms vs. abortion
by timaree

just because you are anti-sex, brison3, does not mean anyone else has to be. (yes, i know, you're not anti-sex, you're just pro-certain kinds of sex that don't offend you personally). just because you see sexual activity as a priviledge and not a right, does not make it so.

sexuality is an innate part of us as humans. male fetuses get erections in utero, infants masturbate. that is a fact, there is no wrong or right about it. instead of denying that humans will want to touch each other sexually and demanding that we all share your particular religious view that this drive is wrong outside of certain parameters, accept that this is the reality and come up with a realistic response.

anything that has serious repercussions ought to be examined critically, learned about and faced with a realistic solution. this goes for auto-driving as well as sex. what we agree upon is that abortions are not a goal and there is some benefit to reducing the incidence of them. what you propose, telling people nothing helpful because they shouldn't be engaging in sex anyway, is not productive. what science bears out is that real education and accurate information about sexuality helps people make decisions about sex. sometimes that means they use contraception, sometimes it means they choose to wait to have sex.

the point is, their souls (and the fate of their souls for having engaged in sex) is neither the topic at hand nor a topic anyone is more expert upon than others. what we do know is that condoms reduce the need for abortion. deal with it.

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