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The Royal "I"?
by Garrick

An interesting take, although it occurs to me that the logic should work both ways...if Clinton's substitution of the first person singular for the first person plural is a valid move, then Obama is welcome to retroactively parse his own comments along the same lines.

More troublingly, I think, is the implication that any future talk about "direct personal" ______ or indeed anything suggesting that the candidate is an individual who is uniquely accountable for his or her actions will be rendered annoyingly vague, if not outright unintelligible. "Mistakes were made" becomes "Diplomacy was attempted." Free passes all around!

Re: The Royal "I"?
by San
Its the Royal "we" not "I". Kings speak in First Personal Plural ala Hobbes.
Re: The Royal "I"?
by John Dickerson SlateIcon

>>An interesting take, although it occurs to me that the logic should work both ways...if Clinton's substitution of the first person singular for the first person plural is a valid move, then Obama is welcome to retroactively parse his own comments along the same lines.

Make sense though in subsequent remarks Obama seems to have at least in two cases defined his comments to mean direct face to face negotiations which (whether you agree or not) Clinton said she would not embrace without preconditions. It's hair splitting when you get right down to it but on the question of whether Hillary had committed the groaner some claimed, I didn't see it.

Obama's view from two interviews:

“If I sit down with a leader of Iran I will send them a strong message that Israel is our friend and that we will assist in their security and that we don’t find nuclear weapons acceptable… that’s not going to be a propaganda coup for Iran, but what it does do is allow us to send a message to the rest of the world that we are willing to sit down and talk. [What she said] during the debate and subsequently was that she would not meet with various leaders unless certain preconditions were met. Now, if that’s not what she means, she should say so. But that was the question that was posed at the debate. You need to get clarification from her if they are walking back from the position that we stated."

"The general principle that I was laying out is that we should not be afraid as America to meet with anybody…Now, they may not like what we want to hear -- so if I’m talking to the President of Iran, I’m going to inform him that Israel is our stalwart ally, and we are going to do what's necessary to protect them -- that we will not accept a nuclear bomb in Iran, but that doesn’t mean we can’t say that face to face. And obviously, the diplomatic spadework has to be done ahead of time. The notion that I was somehow going to be inviting them over for tea next week without having initial envoys meet is ridiculous.”




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