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The reason the old ladies
by gadzooks
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at the KFS forum hate Jews can be explained scientifically.

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There has been a lot of bickering about the rise in anti-Semitism on the Kausfiles Special Forum that has caused at least 4 posters to duke it out with the regular crowd there.

I've been puzzling about it too. Why would good decent liberals say these things about Jews that the Hitlerites were saying in the 30s? Well, DOH. Those old women grew up in the 30s.

Here is more.

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Sometimes they start out to pretend they are only anti-Zion, but then one of them will lose her temper and close her post with something like this.

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But Science has given them a good excuse. Does that mean we should cut them any slack?

Re: The reason the old ladies
by OneTokeUnder

Following your links is to wish to be a US soldier, stuck in the war zone in Iraq, and listening to Bush brag about the size of his dick aka Myanmar.

If you have something to say, say it.

I found an article
by gadzooks

where scientists are trying to explain why old people appear to revert to racism.

There are many such posters on the Kausfiles Special. I'm trying to decide whether I buy into the excuse that it's old age that explains comments like,

So go kiss Jewish ass. In the mean time you and the rest of Americans are get fucked in the ass by the Jews..

or

Reading the history of the Jewish people, is exactly what has earned them the reputation they have

gadzooks..your latter link leads to a malware scheme.
by fairlane
That ain't good. I can't speak for the others. But, I would suggest that this virulent "anti-zionism" phenomenon, is really quite normal. People assume that in order to be part of the "solution" to the Arab-Israeli "problem", they have to choose up a side. Once having done so, as is normal, they start looking for an identifiable "other" who is the enemy.
They are all Fray Links.
by gadzooks

These are not anti-Zion posters. They say things about Jews in America. They say American Jews are money-grubbers and traitors.

One poster, Loree, even links to White Supremacist sites.

And that last link goes to this post. There is no malware. That's a lie.

Re: Iran has NOT threatened to destroy
by americaislost
08/17/2007, 1:53 PM Favorites Reply

Iran has not invaded any country . You have invaded or several without any good reason other than greed. You have attempted over 50 Coup's and you have been involved with many proxy wars. There is one proxy war going on in Somalia but you are too ignorant to know anything about it.

America installed a puppet regime in Iran with the shah of Iran..

Israel with the help of Britain and America has wiped Palestine of the map.

Get your facts straight .abused, you seam to have your head up your ass.

I don;t kiss Jewish nor any other ass. but you can even remove your lips from Jewish ass. Pucker up i know you like it. You are a fool.. . Maybe you are Jewish I don care what you are .

You are ignorant and do not know that facts That the Zionist Jews in Israel are stealing land and water resources every single Day from the Palestinians , The Jews are getting away with it because you arm them and you veto all UN resolutions against them

So go kiss Jewish ass. In the mean time you and the rest of Americans are get fucked in the ass by the Jews..

The very first link
by gadzooks

which would be the former link, goes to a newsweek article.

Why Grandpa Says Inappropriate Things Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:38 PM By Sharon Begley

The elderly man had just sat down in the pew. Folding up his walker, he watched his home health-care aide push his wife’s wheelchair down the hallway toward the ladies room, then turned to me (I was serving as an usher at this service). "Will you tell the colored girl where I’m sitting?”

I cringed. But, figuring there was no point in saying anything, I just nodded politely and put the man’s language down to his age, to being raised in an era when “colored” was acceptable. At least he didn’t say something worse.

Studies since the late 1990s have shown that older Americans tend to be more racist than younger people. That has been explained by the Social Security generation growing up, and having its social and political attitudes formed, in a period when racism and ethnic prejudice were not as unacceptable as they became in, say, the 1960s. But now there is evidence that this generational explanation is only part of the story, finds a study being published in the October issue of the journal Current Directions in Psychological Science.

Many people harbor unintentional and even unconscious stereotypic thoughts--"ethnic or racial group X is [fill in the blank with unflattering adjective of your choice]"--which we manage to overcome or at least squelch. By “we,” I mean our frontal cortex, the site in the brain that acts to inhibit unwanted thoughts and behaviors. (It is immaturity of the frontal lobes that makes many teens so impulsive and unable to inhibit their worst instincts.) “It might be that older adults have greater difficulty inhibiting these stereotypic thoughts despite their efforts to avoid being prejudiced,” writes psychologist William von Hippel of Australia’s University of Queensland. Older adults might be "more prejudiced than younger adults because they can no longer inhibit their unintentionally activated stereotypes.”

The loss of inhibition is the result of the brain’s traitorous tendency to shrink as we age. The frontal lobes in particular atrophy. The result is educed ability to inhibit irrelevant or unwanted thoughts. This loss of inhibition might explain other behaviors that crop up in many elderly, including “social inappropriateness.”

To test whether loss of inhibition might explain racism and stereotyping, von Hippel first gave volunteers paragraphs containing distracting text and asked them to read the paragraphs aloud without speaking the distracting text. The differences in stereotyping and prejudice, the researchers found, reflected age differences in inhibitory control. That is, older adults used stereotypes and displayed prejudice only “to the degree that they also showed greater difficulty inhibiting their vocalization of the distracting text,” find the scientists. Adults with inhibitory control (and frontal lobes) intact, as measured by their ability to ignore the distracting text, did not display as much prejudice toward African Americans. Although older adults try to inhibit their racist feelings, their brain isn’t up to it.

This lack of inhibition is probably also behind grandpa’s habit of asking you, loudly and in public, how your bowel movements have been or, at your wedding, how you’re doing in the wake of being dumped by your last girlfriend. As von Hippel delicately puts it, “older adults are more likely than younger adults to talk excessively and about topics that are irrelevant to the stream of conversation . . . despite the fact that older and younger adults agree that it is inappropriate to inquire about such issues [such as weight gain and family problems] in public.” That is, they know what’s acceptable conversation, but their frontal lobes can’t stifle their impulses—impulses younger adults have, too, but manage to squelch.

Is there any hope for my elderly congregant and his “colored” vocabulary? The frontal lobes’ decline is not inevitable. To the contrary: aerobic exercise enhances their functioning among older adults. Next time grandpa utters something out of “Birth of a Nation,” suggest mall walking.

gadzooks...don't be so testy.
by fairlane
My reference to the malware thing was simply a "warning" to others. It wasn't meant as some sort of negative reflection on you, your premise, or your citation. And...I'm not sure where you were going with all that "anti-Zionist" vs. "American Jew-haters" defensiveness. My allusion was general...to "Americans who take some sort of especial issue with Jews". It wasn't to imply some sort of specific and/or arcane argument about "anti--zionism" vs. anti-Semitism, vs. anti-Jewishism.
Re: The reason the old ladies
by julieboomer

what the hell's the matter with you??

why would you come here to gossip about posters on another board?

take your shit back to KFS.

But there is a difference
by gadzooks

and it is not difficult to discern.

Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Zionists are Jews. Not all Jews are Israeli.

Almost 90% of Italy's citizens are Catholics, but you won't see these bigots referring to Italians as "Catholics." And I haven't seen them questioning the loyalty of American Catholics. The posters at that Forum make accusations that American Jews are loyal to Israel. Two have gone so far as to call American Jews, traitors.

This is not anti-Zionism and no one could confuse this sort of hate speech for political arguments against Zionism or Israel. This is Jew-hating. There is a difference, and there is nothing mysterious or arcane about it.

Gossip?
by gadzooks

I have come across a nest of bigots.

I am not from KFS.
by gadzooks
I used to post on Faith-Based and Best of the Fray.
Re: I found an article
by Mars07

younger people ----need to understand and not prejudge these old people

History is the way it was

Old people mean no harm at all, that is how it was and most were isolated few had acess to the communication that is available today


I guess you missed my point.
by fairlane

But then, as you posted with an "agenda", which was to levy a personal attack on a specific subset, I'm not surprised. And for what it's worth, I have no problem with you attacking that particular subset, whatsoever. Again though, I was simply putting in my OWN 2 cents as to why I think people IN GENERAL, are inclined toward their various bigotries. So...again, as to my point, it doesn't really matter if the target of your own posted concern, was "old, senile, anti-Jewish ladies", "dentally-challenged southern crackers", or "virulent anti-papists"!

Personal. Hmmm.
by gadzooks

I guess you could call it personal. I don't like to see bigotry. I don't like to see posters use politics as an excuse to single out an ethnic group and then pass along old Hitlerite lies about them. I do take that personally.

In some ways I agree.
by gadzooks

But should we let their spoken views go unanswered?

How old do we need to be before rebuttal isn't seen as disrespectful? If the average age of the posters is 70, do we need to be grandparents before we can speak up?

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