From now on those in this debate on the unquestionable corruptive and corrosive influence of AIPAC on U.S. foreign policy can stop the anti semite charge. It's a total diversion and it is an easy way to change the debate from the actions of AIPAC to the moral purity of the debater. The only question that should matter in a foreign policy debate is to what extent policy decisions are in America's best interest. If AIPAC sponsored policies were in Americas best interest they wouldn't need near the size and strength they posess in Washington. Do we have a massive South Korean lobbying group? How about a massive Taiwanese lobbying group? We don't because American politicians do not need to be coerced bribed and intimidated to support their cause because it is in Americas best interest. The major lobbying groups in the U.S. have major presense because they purchase decisions and policies that are AGAINST U.S.'s best interest. But AIPAC's influence is the most destructive because it's ramifications don't just destabilize certain markets it destabilizes an entire region and U.S. security.

The AARP has more corruptive power and members than the AIPAC. Are you against them?

The NEA has more corruptive power and members than the AIPAC. Are you against them?

MoveOn.Org has more corruptive power and members than the AIPAC. Are you against them?

Green Peace has more corruptive power and members than the AIPAC. Are you against them?

If you answered no, then you are a hypocrite.

ok, now take the number of members and divide it by the total contributions of the group. compare with aipac. you use corruptive power as a measure but its a subjective barometer. Secondly, those are employee unions and retirement unions. Nobody gets sent to war over an nea pay raise. AIPAC is a lobbying group that lobbies on behalf of a FOREIGN country. Name another country that lobbies nearly as intensely in the U.S. as Israel........Can you find one??

If you answered yes than you are a liar

"ok, now take the number of members and divide it by the total contributions of the group. compare with aipac. you use corruptive power as a measure but its a subjective barometer."

Ahahahaha.

Are you for real? AARP spends far more per member than ANY other Lobbying group. ANY. That includes AIPAC.

Ever wonder why there was an expanded Medicaid package proposed by Congress that costs us trillions of dollars every year that we didn't have?

You say:

"Ahahahaha".

"Are you for real? AARP spends far more per member than ANY other Lobbying group. ANY. That includes AIPAC".

The FACTS:

AIPAC - 100,000 MEMBERS

AARP - 38,000,000 MEMBERS

AIPAC - 56,000,000 BUDGET

AARP - 1,240,000,000 BUDGET

1,240000000/38000000 = $32.63 PER MEMBER FOR AARP

56,000,000/100,000 = $560 PER MEMBER FOR AIPAC

Are you still laughing san.....that is over 15 times more per member than the AARP!!

Even if you weren't completely wrong which you are again, lets just take aarp out of the equation......How do you not understand what I am trying to say. It's ridiculous to compare aarp to aipac. We are talking about a lobby that is having a horrifically detrimental impact on our FOREIGN POLICY not our domestic budget!! Why is it you can't seem to understand the difference!! Do you not want to???

I'll leave you with this.......

AARP spends over $32 per member to influence a

"Medicaid package proposed by Congress that costs us trillions of dollars every year"

AIPAC spends $560 per member to influence ..............

what is it san???? It must be pretty significant if they spend over 15 times as much per head as the AARP. Certainly they wouldn't have to spend anything to coerce us to do something that is actually IN our best interest..........

think about it san, it's not pretty but I think even you will figure it out eventually

1,240000000/38000000 = $32.63 PER MEMBER FOR AARP

56,000,000/100,000 = $560 PER MEMBER FOR AIPAC"

I think you proved my point.

The AARP controls Congress.

It doesn't matter how much the proportion is, the higher money the more bribes.

Thats a simple fact.

You have to divide the money among members of Congress, and guess what?

AARP wins.

when aarp starts influencing u.s. foreign policy I will jump on the bandwagon. But we're not talking about the aarp on this board. We're talking about AIPAC. You obviously are here to defend AIPAC no matter how many times your arguments are destroyed and thus you are showing a common theme of pro-AIPAC debaters. You want to turn it in to a contest of debating not an argument of facts. No matter what many people in this country REFUSE to believe the corruption of AIPAC. Your rebuttal to that is to say,'well other groups are bad'. Yes, other groups are bad. The point is that america is harmed by bad groups. You cannot possibly try to argue that AIPAC is in any way good for american interests so you argue that other groups are 'badder'. AIPAC is a totally corrupted slimy lobbying group that pushes the u.s. to make detrimental foreign policy choices for its own interests and much of the worlds interests. Period.

...AIPAC is a totally corrupted slimy lobbying group that pushes the u.s. to make detrimental foreign policy choices for its own interests and much of the worlds interests. Period...

Yeah, but remember: Never turn your back your back on those evil, dangerous bastards at the AARP--they'll stab you in the back every time. LOL!

San:

Are you for real? AARP spends far more per member than ANY other Lobbying group. ANY. That includes AIPAC.

However, AARP doesn't stand for "American Association of Russian Persons" or whatever -- the retired people in question are Americans trying to influence American policy on behalf of Americans. Notice the lack of foreign governments in the equation?

In addition, AIPAC is by far the most powerful group that lobbies on behalf of a foreign government. As reported in this 2005 Washington Post article -- <link> -- "A National Journal survey of more than 70 members of Congress suggests that the NRA is the "most effective" interest group on Capitol Hill. The organization received nearly twice as many votes -- 25 -- as AARP and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which tied for second place. Each received 13 votes."

Pardon me for being concerned, but the purpose of government is to serve the interests of its citizens, not the interests of foreign governments. A powerful foreign lobby will always concern me more than a powerful domestic lobby.

"the retired people in question are Americans trying to influence American policy on behalf of Americans. Notice the lack of foreign governments in the equation?"

Are you kidding me?

Many of the Jews in Israel were American Citizens!!!

Remember, if you are Jewish, you are an Israeli citizen or can apply for citizenship!

I know many Jews with duel citizen you twit.

San:

Many of the Jews in Israel were American Citizens!!!

Remember, if you are Jewish, you are an Israeli citizen or can apply for citizenship!

I know many Jews with duel citizen you twit.

That may be the problem. I've had ancestors come across the Bering land bridge, from England in the 1600's, from France in the 1700's, from Germany in the 1800's, and from Switzerland in the 1900's. If I were to choose a "homeland" to cheer for, which one would it be? They've all been at war with each other through recorded history, and three of them within living memory.

Perhaps because I have a divided ancestry, I do not have a divided loyalty, and I would not accept dual citizenship even if offered. I'm an American, not Cherokee, or Blackfoot, or English, or French, or German, or Swiss, and if I started hyphenating my nationality, I wouldn't know where to stop.

/twit? C'mon, you have to admit that's a pretty weak insult.