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re second holocaust
by rbe1
For me what is bizarre is the fact that no mention is made of the treatment of the Palestinian people at the hands of the Israeli government. The article appears to be, as do many articles by supporters of Israel, all about how the Jewish people feel. Well, I think the key to the perception of the book here critiqued is precisely how the Palestinian people feel and how many people in the west react to how the Palestinian people feel. Until some attention is paid to this, not many people will be staying awake at night worrying about how the Jewish people feel about the second holocaust.
Re: re second holocaust
by tg12

For me what is bizarre is the fact that no mention is made of the treatment of the Palestinian people at the hands of the Israeli government.

*Bangs head against the wall*

Seriously, do you not get that the reason he didn't discuss that point is because the article was in response to a book? I have no idea what he would say about the issue, but what I do know is that as valid as an issue as it is, the issue was related to the Israel lobby's influence. I personally think the Israel lobby tends to favor overly strong conservative tactics to protect Israel, but they and those who want to protect Israel have a right and reason to do so. Rosenbaum is pointing out (regardless of possible mistakes and maybe even crimes if you want to go that far), that there are reasons for Israelis to lobby for support: for their own survival.

Re: re second holocaust
by doodahman

Rosenbaum is pointing out (regardless of possible mistakes and maybe even crimes if you want to go that far), that there are reasons for Israelis to lobby for support: for their own survival.

Conflating Jewish survival with Israel is just a shortsighted and strategically flawed as conflating Israel with Judaism. Concentrating the Jews in Israel seems to make little sense from a survival paradigm. Dispersal and diaspora worked fine for millenia. That's what allowed the Jews to survive the Holocaust. Not putting their eggs into one basket.

Besides, to me it's fundamentally insulting to say that American Jews need Israel for a sense of security. That's what we have a Constitution and Bill of Rights for.

The more accurate picture to paint is one that analogizes right wing reactionary zionists to beaten dogs that snap at one and all. If they are so paranoid that the only way to assuage their insecurity is for the US to sacrifice itself to protect Israel's interests, for the Palestinians to suffer apartheid and slo mo ethnic cleansing, and for war with Iraq and Iran and then whomever they next target, I say fuck em. That kind of dog is dangerous to everybody and everyone else's security depends on neutralizing it.

Re: re second holocaust
by GEStelz
Doodah: great post!
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