Ladies and Gentlemen:

I will never participate in your healthcare scheme. Never. If you attempt to coerce or compel me, I will resist with every fiber of my being. This act, this House Bill that you now go to debate, is an unconstitutional breech of our rule of law, and I will act to repel you. This bill makes of all Americans slaves, to all other Americans. It makes of us all a form of chattel to be traded and disposed as you see fit. Fines? Prison terms? I will resist. I will combat you on the grounds that you have no authority, in justice, in law, in the constitution, or in morality, to impose this sort of sick, liberty-wrecking system.

Why have you forsaken freedom? Why have you decided to curse the American people? Why have you done this to us? You were supposed to have been the great guardians of our liberty, but now you act as the most brutal tyrants.

Damn you. Pass this bill and you will be damned by all of history for all times, and you will eventually get the justice you deserve. You have now become the very sort of thugs from which we Americans first gained our precious liberty. It is time for Americans to stand up and say to you that if you pass this, there will not be mere protests, but instead a war to answer the war you make against us. Your threats to our liberties must be answered as the threats of any other maniacal thugs.

IM

Are you really uninsured now? i.e. you have no medical insurance of any kind and if you have to get any medical services you pay for them directly out of your own pocket?

as are many farmers. Many of us may not have insurance, but we all have some form of pitchfork.

IM

I hope that if they do ram this bill through they do get what they deserve......and it won't be good.

The American people are standing up against it and even more will rise if it passes. It won't be good for the Democrats.

I hope it's not to late for those of us who don't want to lose our freedom.

Thanks for the reply. So you are OK with the current system and not being insured?

Hey, I do NOT support this bill for many reasons. If you are able to pay for your own healthcare and agree in writting to NOT have yourself or your family receive medical treatment you cannot pay for, I see no reason to force you to but health insurance. Note this last condition is the key. If you cannot pay and the treatment is necessary to save your life you are put to sleep. That is true freedom, right?

JGM,

I would make a few mods:

1.) We never euthanize anybody-just let them die

2.) The can get treatment if they will sign a compact that prevents them from later seeking bankruptcy protection(just like student loans and tax debt and child support)

Otherwise, I'm aboard with that. Liberty, pal.

IM

Jen the I-mind has no insurance at all and claims he pays his medical bills for him and his family with his own money. Thus he is one of the selfish and greedy ones. He doesn't want to pay into the system BUT you know that if he or his family had medical issues that required medical treatment he would get the treatment and NOT pay the medical providers. In other words someone else would have to pay.

I cannot support those that are uninsured that have jobs that make over a certain amount of money. These people are the selfish and greedy ones that just steal from everyone else.

I don't support the Dem healthcare reform bill but I cannot it is BS for selfish and greedy people to claim they are just fighting for freedom. Freedom to steal from society.

I will never incur debt I cannot pay.

I will never coerce from others to suit my own purposes.

Never. I am not greedy.

I am indeed selfish. What makes you think this is a bad thing?

IM

I'll give you credit for being honest. Your #2 idea doesn't really make sense. Yea, the person would have to pay off this debt but some would be in debt all their lives and thus die with this debt. Most major expenses occur latter in life. This is why one should pay when healthly so they can get something back when they are older.

Instead your idea would mean NOT paying anything UNTIL they need to pay and then of course they cannot pay and they they die with debt.

No true liberty means NOT getting any treatment UNLESS one can pay BEFORE HAND or they have paid into the system (i.e. they have insurance).

What you have is NOT liberty but stealing from others in society (i.e. getting medical treatment that you cannot pay for because you are too selfish to get insurance).

If IM says he pays his own way, then I believe him and support that. I seriously doubt that he would ever ask for anything from anyone. And I also know that IM has had some serious medical issues to befall his family and if he says he paid his own way, I believe him. I've never had any reason to doubt IM's veracity.

It's those who feel entitled to have someone else pay their way that I feel are "stealing" from others.

Also, I feel it is wrong of the government to say that if we make over a certain amount of money we MUST contribute to the lack of ability in others to make as much as we do. It is neither selfish nor greedy to earn as much as we are able to earn. If we wish to give to charitable causes, it's our business, not that of the government.

Selfishness and greed are not remedied by coerced charity. And the government doesn't have the right to assume it is remedied that way.

Debt is part of your estate. Assets must be liquidated to settle debts. Life insurances and so on must go first to settle debts.

Yes, some people will die with nothing, and some insurer will eat it, but they program for that, just like credit card companies do. Myself, I think if you can't show financial responsibility coming in the door of a healthcare facility, you should be turned away. Period.

IM

In the other post you said that the uninsured should get medical treatment they can NOT pay for. All you did was NOT allow them to erase their debt.

Thus if you needed expensive medical treatment you would be in debt. Thus if you accept this medical treatment and go into debt and do NOT pay off this debt you are indeed greedy.

Without insurance if you had any major medical needs you would NOT be able to pay off your debt. Thus YES, you are being greedy and just like someone on welfare living off of others IF you had a major medical condition. To NOT be greedy you need to get insurance.

Jen,

And as always, you're a beacon of truth on this fray.

IM

How would IM be able to pay for 100K or 500K worth of medical treatment? Come on Jen be logical. His 'plan' only works if he doesn't get a medical condition that would require expensive medical treatment.

No, anyone that does NOT have insurance is greedy because IF they do get some type of medical condition that requires expensive treatment they will get the treatment but NOT be able to pay for it. The only way I would believe IM would be if he put 200K in a trust fund.

You fail to understand the basic concept of insurance and how it protects people from unplanned events!

If the value of my estate exceeds the size of my debt, what is the problem?

IM