then they should be excluded from defending America.

I have nothing but respect for Sgt. Munley, but I just couldn't resist pointing out how stupid this author's thesis is.

So anyone that says they are Muslim cannot serve? What about anyone that listens to Beck or supported the killing of that abortion doctor?

I don't know if this would really make a difference since someone could just hide the fact they were Muslim.

The difference is that Beck never advocated or suggested in any way, violence against abortion doctors. Why not do something about that shit in your head where your brain should be?

I see that you do get the point I was making. All muslims do NOT support violence and thus it isn't anymore logical to ban every muslim from the military as it would be to ban everyone that is anti-abortion. (the Beck crack was a throw way just to get under your skin!).

Do you have proof that ALL American muslims support violence and killing infidels? NO you do NOT. So why would it be OK to not allow any muslims into the military? There was major mistakes made in this specific case since this asshole muslim did have 'issues' and it appears these were known to others that should of took action(i.e. kicked him out), but this case doesn't jusfity kicking everyone of them out anymore than every Christian that is anti-abortion should be denied access to a gun because of one nut case anti-abortion Christian.

Try to have a mature discussion with that so called brain of yours. Really use logic. I'm fine if you disagree with the POV I have here but try being mature and using logic for a change.

jazzguitarman:

 

Do you have proof that ALL American muslims support violence and killing infidels? NO you do NOT. So why would it be OK to not allow any muslims into the military?

Do you have proof that ALL Nazis supported killing the jews? NO you do NOT. So why would it be OK to kill every Nazi in WWII?

Obviously we should have taken on each Axis soldier on a case by case basis. We simply can’t lump them all together. Of course, many, many in the Axis were trying to kill Allied soldiers. But that doesn’t justify killing them all. 

There are no groups. None. We are all individuals. We cannot make any conclusions based on race, or gender, or height, or intelligence, or ability, or any one of a million other indicators because we is all equal.

An 80 year old grandmother from Indiana is just as likely to blow up a plane for Allah as is a 25 year old Muslims from Jordan. We simply cannot make any distinctions between the two. Not in our airports, not in our schools, and not in our armies. 

First that was a WAR between nations. Note that there were Nazi in nations that the Axis powers were NOT fighting against and these Nazi were NOT killed. In fact there were American Nazi and these Nazi were NOT killed or even arrested unless they attacked the Axis powers.

Like so many others you go off on a childish rant instead of making a logical point. YES, I understand that Muslims are more of a threat then NON muslims!!!!!! But we do have a constitution! Ever read that????

So if you are saying we should change the constitution and thus kill or detain every Muslim in this nation. JUST SAY SO!!! Make a solid case for this.

Note that if there are more of these type of religious movitated attacks in the military by American Muslims than I would agree that action would be required. But I'm honest since I know this action would be un-American by definition. It would be un-American because then an American would be denied their rights under the constitution just because of their religion. You instead don't have any respect for the constitution and thus American values.

Wow. Can't we just all chuckle at the premise of the article? I believe the Romans are credited with the adage "don't legislate according to the extremes."

If for some freaky quirk the rampagee was shot and caught by a 12-year-old diabetic in a wheelchair, should he be allowed to serve in front-line units in the army? I think not. I still applaud the heroism of Officer Munley, but as so many veterans on the Fray have pointed out, it takes more than a quick, accurate shot to serve our nation in the armed forces.

So women that can show they can do the job and meet the physical requirements should not be allowed?

jazzguitarman:

First that was a WAR between nations.

 
We are at war as well. Do you really think that because we don’t have a piece of paper that says, “We formally declare war on you” that it is less so?

jazzguitarman:

Note that there were Nazi in nations that the Axis powers were NOT fighting against and these Nazi were NOT killed. In fact there were American Nazi and these Nazi were NOT killed or even arrested unless they attacked the Axis powers.

 
Are you talking about the American Bund? Or are you referring to Germans? Because if you mean the Bund, you are dead wrong. They were harassed, beaten, jailed on trumped up charges, etc. 

jazzguitarman:

Like so many others you go off on a childish rant instead of making a logical point. YES, I understand that Muslims are more of a threat then NON muslims!!!!!!

 
You agree they a more of a threat, but we shouldn’t treat them as if they are more of a threat?
 

jazzguitarman:

 But we do have a constitution! Ever read that????

Yes. And nowhere in the Constitution does it address what we are speaking of here. The Constitution is a wonderful document, but it isn’t magic. You can’t simply throw Constitution at every issue.

jazzguitarman:

So if you are saying we should change the constitution and thus kill or detain every Muslim in this nation. JUST SAY SO!!! Make a solid case for this.

Such a policy wouldn’t require a constitutional amendment. I’m curious. What part of the Constitution do you believe protects “all Muslims from being killed or detained”?

jazzguitarman:

Note that if there are more of these type of religious movitated attacks in the military by American Muslims than I would agree that action would be required.

 
You agree that action would be required, even though such action would be unconstitutional? With statements like that, I’m not sure you can claim the moral high ground like you do.

 

jazzguitarman:

It would be un-American because then an American would be denied their rights under the constitution just because of their religion.

 
In the real, nuanced world, we “deny rights based on religion” all the time. Do you worry that you will be kidnapped off the street, beaten, tortured, then sacrificed to Bheleu, god of chaos? Of course not. In part because religion, even religions whose sacred beliefs include human sacrifice, are not allowed, even though we have the first amendment to our constitution.

And even more down to earth religious practices are denied, and it’s not un-American to do so. A devoutly religious person can refuse a blood transfusion. But they can’t stop you from getting one. Even if their religion commands them to do so. 

It’s just not as easy as “it’s un-American!”
 

So taking the OP's ridiculous statement as fact, if a white male christian ever killed people on a military base, then white mail christians shouldn't be allowed in the military?

Oh and the part of the constitution which prevents unequal treatment for Muslims is the 1st amendment, in case you missed it.

TravisTeee:

So taking the OP's ridiculous statement as fact, if a white male christian ever killed people on a military base, then white mail christians shouldn't be allowed in the military?

I just wanted to point out the silly position of the original article. If your hypothetical white chain-mail christian was a minor and actually shot the assailant, should we really revisit some edict that sets the enlistment age at 18 years of age?

volkstraum:

Wow. Can't we just all chuckle at the premise of the article? I believe the Romans are credited with the adage "don't legislate according to the extremes."

Extremes? So your assumption is that only a REALLY unusual, fantastic, heroic, end-of-the-bell-curve kind of woman could have done this? You need to meet more people if you suppose this lady was so terribly out of the ordinary. Plenty of male and female cops (and other professionals in risky professions or circumstances) show presence of mind in emergencies. They're expected to, so you don't hear about it.

Sorry if I missed the facetiousness of your OP, it was dry enough that I confused it with honest opinions I have seen posted here too many times to count.