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Hasan wasn't crazy, just a Jihadi.
by Don Schenk
Accept the fact.
Re: Hasan wasn't crazy, just a Jihadi.
by sisyphus returns

"The incident raises many questions, a number of which we try to answer here."

I could think of a few more questions. Maybe he'll write a second article.

Re: Hasan wasn't crazy, just a Jihadi.
by jobmd
Subtext: It's not his fault he got into religion, it's Bush's fault for starting the wars. He's a jihadi. I don't really understand HOW it could be more obvious, but there is none so blind as those who will not see. There is not a shred of evidence that he was clinically psychotic.
Re: Hasan wasn't crazy, just a Jihadi.
by gvg

Don Schenk:
Accept the fact.

Religious fanatics are crazy, or at the very least anti-social. Accept that.

Re: Hasan wasn't crazy, just a Jihadi.
by jobmd
Subtext of the last post: Christian and Jewish fanatics do it too. Name one who went and took out a bunch of soldiers at a military base in the name of religion. Oh wait, I forgot Vince D'Onofiro in Full Metal Jacket. Oh wait, that wasn't in the name of religion, his fictional character actually was driven to the brink.
Re: Hasan wasn't crazy, just a Jihadi.
by pb53

Don Schenk:
Accept the fact.

What makes you think the two are mutually exclusive?

Re: Hasan wasn't crazy, just a Jihadi.
by hunter14
He publicly stated that his symapathy for suicide bombers and also (according to NPR) expressed radical Moslem views in a public lecture. The army, instead of discharging him and being though anti-Islam, transferred him. In other words the victims died of political correctedness.
Re: Hasan wasn't crazy, just a Jihadi.
by kati

The army didn't discharge him because they paid for his college education and medical school and specialization. The army needed to get its money's (ours!) worth, but it wasn't such a good idea because Hasan is said by his supervisor to have been a very lousy shrink and he hesitated sending patients to him...

I too believe that all fanatics regardless of what they're fanatic about are psychopaths, but of course this doesn't excuse what they're doing. Look at the guy who just killed a doctor for providing abortions (and the good doc did many free of charge, including that of a ten year old raped by a male family member)... He's being turned into a hero by fanatics who call themselves Christians... same difference!

Re: Hasan wasn't crazy, just a Jihadi.
by Lola
He was a sleeper
Re: Hasan wasn't crazy, just a Jihadi.
by pfire
@Lola -- oh, yeah, totally. His parents moved to this country so that could raise their son to infiltrate the American culture. Then he joined the military--prior to 9/11--and went through medical and psychiatric training, because he was just waiting for his chance to kill those red-blooded American boys. He held off on killing those boys the whole time he was at Walter Reed, because he was waiting for just the right moment. Which, of course, was before he was to be deployed to Afghanistan. His buying the gun at the last minute, and not pulling in a truck-load of explosives was just to make it seem like an act of desperation.
Re: Hasan wasn't crazy, just a Jihadi.
by sisyphus returns

You raise a good point, but the article doesn't mention anything about the possibility that his radical muslim beliefs were a major factor in the massacre. The closest Beam comes to saying this is when he mentions that Hasan was opposed to the military interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan--so are a lot of people, but I don't know of a single case where they've killed over a dozen and wound more than thirty others.

Again, a complete picture of this guy has yet to emerge, but this article does nothing more than a PC dance around the most obvious reason this guy did what he did.

Re: Hasan wasn't crazy, just a Jihadi.
by pfire
This seems to me a matter of semantics. My sense is that his inability to cope / mental illness an not wanting to be deployed was what caused him to embrace the more radical aspects of Islam. That was his excuse for doing what he did, the same way the guy in Orlando used the failure of the his old company to stop his life from falling apart as a reason to go back to a firm he hadn't worked at for two years and blow people up, and the same way the Birmingham, NY shooter used his inability to integrate into American society as a reason to shoot up an immigration center, the way the VA Tech shooter used the fact that he was socially isolated to shoot up students. I wouldn't call any of these acts of a "Jihadi" but rather acts of desperate, mentally ill people, who found justification for heinous acts.
You're an imbecile
by jj64
I might as well as you to name one muslim fanatic who bombed an abortion clinic in the name of religion. You're an idiot.
oh stfu
by jj64
*** In other words the victims died of political correctedness. *** "political correctedness" - LMAO! Another thing I find hilarious about you conservative turds is that any time anyone tries to find a reason someone commits a crime, whether it's poverty or child abuse or what have you, you wastes of oxygen deny that anything other than the perpetrator could have any share of blame. But when the opportunity to make a political point arises, you don't even wait until the bodies are cold to start shifting the blame around.
Base commander will not be held responsible
by fsilber

hunter14:
He publicly stated that his symapathy for suicide bombers and also (according to NPR) expressed radical Moslem views in a public lecture. The army, instead of discharging him and being though anti-Islam, transferred him. In other words the victims died of political correctedness.
It's not that simple. Military officer careerism was also a factor. From the article:

The only people who can carry guns around a base—concealed or otherwise—are on-duty military police, who handle routine security. ... Another exception is for on-duty local or state police officers who come to the base on official business. .... The base's company commander can make other exceptions—say, if a base is under attack or if officers need to carry guns for a special ceremony. But the commander then becomes responsible for anything that happens as a result of his decision.

If the base commander had allowed soldiers to be armed on base, he would have been responsible for any misuse of the guns. However, when the base commander chooses to keep his soldiers unarmed and helpless, he is not held responsible for the deaths that result from his decision -- his career is safe. Those are the incentives; the base commanded made his decision based on those incentives so as give priority to his career.

Of course, those perverse incentives could also be described as political correctness, but it's political correctness of a different kind.

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