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Dear concerned parents,
by cavalier
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I am one of you. I hear, and feel, all the anxiety expressed in this forum about protocols not fully tested, past medical and scientific errors, environmental hazards, and the overwhelming responsibility of trying to stay ahead of the game and never take anything having to do with our children's welfare for granted. I too troll the internet, suspect conspiracies, read "alternative" takes on accepted norms.

That said: avoiding vaccination for our children is SO the wrong battle. If you want to talk about scary, actual science, focus on things like electromagnetic fields (EMF) and other forms of non-ionizing radiation that have troublesome, long-range connections to childhood cancers and other disorders. Do you know where the high-tension power lines nearest your residence or your child's school are? (It's easy to get an idea with Google Maps--look for the long narrow lines shorn of trees that extend for miles.) What about non-ionizing radiation from television and radio transmitters, which have a less convincing body of evidence about them than EMF, but still way more than supports the idea of harm from vaccines?

I've seen several outraged cites to possible formaldehyde in vaccines in these posts: well, has your house been constructed with standard plywood? (the answer is yes if it's less than 35 years old) Do you own any furniture made from MDF or particle board, like those lovely high-end train tables or shelves with toy-baskets? Then you have formaldehyde outgassing in your house all the time.

Have you ever read about what's required by law to be in our mattresses due to anti-inflammability requirements, and have you sought out organic alternatives for your children? Do you use lotions or creams on your children that contain parabens? If no to the former or yes to the latter, you're exposing your children every day, for many hours of the day, to substances that have been banned by the European Union for overwhelming scientific proof of hazard to health. (But they still vaccinate in the EU.)

Do you eat organic where it matters most, in the kid-pleasing foods (apples and potatoes at the top of the list) that retain the most toxic pesticides, no matter how well you wash them? These pesticides are retained in the body and build up over time into the sort of "body burden" that some of you are hypothesizing could be created by vaccines--though there is no evidence to support this with vaccines, but there is plenty for pesticides, cosmetic and other environmental toxins. (Check out the website of the Environmental Working Group.)

Do you ever use chemical sunscreens? Do you ever allow a child to talk on a cell phone held to his or her head?

People, what I'm trying to say is that it is a scary world, we love our children, and we want to protect them. We don't trust either the government or big corporations to do it for us or to tell us how to do it. But I firmly believe, from 9-plus years of following these issues assiduously with my own beloved children in mind, that vaccines are the LEAST of our worries. And indeed, that vaccines are wonderful. I am absolutely floored to hear people bragging on this website that they have neglected to vaccinate their children against serious or fatal illness. I will be at our county health department this weekend waiting in line to get an H1N1 (killed virus) vaccine for my 3-year-old and 8-year-old. It will even have thimerosol in it, because that is all that is currently available in my area. But you know what? Last week a child in primary grade in our rural school system died of this flu that disproportionately affects young children, and we know personally of children who have been hospitalized in quite serious condition over the past weeks. Multiple local children have not been killed or injured by vaccination in the past month. And we are not even talking about polio or tetanus or diphtheria here.

Read some nineteenth-century women's novels. Children died of these diseases all the time, and terribly, so such scenes are aptly portrayed. Talk to your parents and grandparents. Learn about other hazards to our children. Consider shifting your focus to demanding that high-tension power lines in residential areas be buried underground, which costs the power company money but removes the known health risks. Consider demanding that the FDA recognize the same studies that the European Union uses to regulate parabens and chemical sunscreens. Consider finding out if your school is broadcasting RF frequencies throughout its grounds all day so that it can brag it has a "wireless" computing environment. There is a lot of energy and a lot of goodwill on this board, but it is horribly and sadly and dangerously and discouragingly misdirected.

Re: Dear concerned parents,
by karenlynn

I had written a post earlier, but hadn't read this response.

My house was built last year, and I made sure to make every effort to use the safest materials possible. My son is still breastfed (at 13 mos.) because I believe it offers continued immune support, he eats organic foods, he only uses glass containers, no microwave, I cook in ceramic containers, I clean with only natural, organic, non-toxic cleaners, our detergents/shampoos/lotions are all natural and free of chemicals, he uses cloth/natural fiber diapers... the list of choices that I've made to keep his environment safe and healthy is exhaustive. I choose not to vaccinate him because I believe that 1. he is healthy enough to fight infection on his own (which has been proven twice since he was born) and 2. that if I try so hard to keep his home as natural as I do, why would go and inject toxins directly into his system????!!!!!

I resent the implication that I am an irresponsible or inconsiderate person because I do not vaccinate my child. I am an incredibly dedicated and conscientious mother, and I do my best to ensure my son's health. I wonder how many parents that do vaccinate their children can say they take the same measures. I am responsible for the health and well-being of my child and should not be accountable for others'.

hmmm.......
by Hst_Fan

you know if you would just start mooing you would along better with others, I mean how dare you try to be different, it's just plain creepy......

Hst: Tounge firmly planted in cheek....

Re: hmmm.......
by fourleaf

Karen Lynn,

I applaud your efforts to raise your child the way you have...it is clear you care deeply for him. And you are correct that if we had parents all over that were as concientious with regard to their own kids that in general we might have a healthier population of children. I say might because there are absolutely no scientific studies to prove that these measures make any long term difference to the health of one child (and certainly to a large population of children). However, all the natural cloth diapers and organic food and breastfeeding will make NO difference IF your child contracts one of these vaccine preventable illnesses... it just won't. The infectious agents (some bacteria like pertussis and some viral like measles and polio) simply could care less about any of that.

You point to two separate viral infections that were "fought off" by your son as proof that he has a healthy immune system (and presumably could then fight off any infection ??). There is a reason we don't have vaccines for those things (colds etc)...because 100% of kids with healthy immune systems can fight them off. We vaccinate against things that are deadly or cause severe morbidity in kids that have healthy immune systems. Your proof doesn't prove anything other than you have a 1 year old who is like most other 1 year olds with regard to minor infections... except he is MORE susceptible to certain severe infections that his peers are now protected against.

You also, in several posts, discuss your breast feeding strategy as a way to assure that he is healthy. I am very pro-braestfeeding but one must be realistic. Have you ever visited a third world country in Africa? They breastfeed there exclusively... there is just no other viable option for an infant's nutrition. And yet without vaccines these illnesses ravage the population of children...they don't vaccinate because they have no vacines. Breastfeeding provides no protection against these pathogens. As adamant as you are about your choices in raising your son, the mother's in these impoverished countries are just as adamant about their desire for the vaccines. The difference... their children die. Your child is fortunate to not have to deal with those circumstances here in the US (I assume you live in the US). The only reason that is the case is the massive and extremely successful vaccination programs that have preceeded the birth of your son.

Lastly I have read elsewhere on these boards that these infections are now easily treated so there really is no need to vaccinate anymore. This is simply not true. The viral pathogens (measles,mumps,rubella,Hepatit­is B, polio, chicken pox) really have no treatment at all. You simply must wait and see what the damage will be. Bacteria such as Haemophilus influenza type B, Strep. pneumonie, pertussis can be treated with antibiotics but unfortunately they are so severe in young children that it often too late to effectively treat them. We may save their lives now but they very well may have permanent brain damage. This is not to scare you or anyone else...simply fact.

I realize that I may do very little to convince you or any others that are anti-vaccine... I was driven to respond to you specifically because you seem like a very educated, concerned mother who does truly want the best for her child. I have many families in my pediatric practice who choose not to adhere to my recommendations regarding vaccine schedules. We all do... I do my best in the period of time I have to help them in their choices. I will defer certain vaccines like Hepatitis B or Chicken Pox because I want to pick and choose my battles.I will split up the schedule if asked so as to not overwhelm the parents with their decision. Even so some families are simply so entrenched in their positions that they refuse to consider any vaccines. It used to be that the un/under vaccinated in our country were those without access to medical care due to cost etc. They were in general the poor. It is now true that the burden of un/undervaccinated are from middle/upper middle class college educated families. They attend school together, socialize together and I fear will get sick together. It's really a matter of when... I really don't want to get into a hostile exchange with those of you out there that feel strongly about your anti-vaccine stance and speak really from a position of emotion. If you want to exchange ideas and constuctive comments then so be it ... good luck to you in your parenting experiences Karen Lynn...it really is the most precious life experience one could have!

lot of work in that post.......
by Hst_Fan
and then you mis-posted it........
Re: Dear concerned parents,
by Hemlock3630

*sigh*

I'm on the organic, all natural bandwagon also....BUT, even organic, all natural products that contain plant extracts will degrade into other chemicals, even some that you wouln't apply directly onto your child's skin.

'Essential oil' is just a fancy non-threatening way of saying 'plant based volatile organic compond laden material'

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