was good for everybody, insofar as the Senate and the House spent that weekend busily rewriting their various bills to change the healthcare language on illegals that the president lied about to a Joint Session of Congress as well as the American people.

When a heckle is not a heckle but the truth in a dire circumstance, decorum sucks. Wilson deserves a medal.

What Wilson did was wrong but it did wake House members up. The GOP claims they tried to wake up the House committee before Wilson's outburst but that didn't work. Who knows but at least stronger provisions were added with regards to illegal immigrants and the fraud they love to commit.

The bill already contained a provision that banned illegals from health care subsidies. Since you claim to know that the president was lying, how about telling us just what changed in the bill.

Wanna give me a medal?

This is coming from the party that took offense to Dick Cheney's F bomb, which in the context of Patrick Leahy first ripping into the Veep via Iraq/Halliburton (which looked tame compared to Obama's industrial complex, and were only getting warmed up!), then, second proceeded to come up, shake hands, smile, and weasel his way up to the Veep, like nothing happened, going for a photo op, as if he was just another groupie.

I don't think so.

Obama not only lied, he has made a concsious/ semi concious effort to systematically lie, after what the Democrats did the past 10-15 years I don't care what is said, or where it's said.

This administration doesn't really have many rules, and has had the questionable judgement to zero in on Fox and declare them an illegitimate network.

What's a little profanity or name calling. There was no shortage of booing, moaning, groaning, and shit talk during the Bush years.

Obama has also publicly shown solidarity, and fidelity to her Majesty Peloshit, which speaks volumes.

To me Nancy Pelosi is not fit for office, yet despite this obvious fact Rahm Emmanuel as the story goes, never cared for the bitch, but they keep her around for plausible deniability.

You think Obama knows what's in these bills? The meat? Even though he's a lawyer?? No.

These people on foreign affairs, are seriously a bunch of clowns, and thats on a good day.

On domestic affairs, these people are barbarians, pure and simple.

They are niether rational or reasonable, or amicable to persuasion, and they say the same thing about us.

F(x) em!

that facts can be ignored.

You've clearly chosen to rewrite what happened between Cheney and Leahy. Cheney still has stock in Haliburton, even though he promised he'd divest all of his stock and donate it to charity. Leahy didn't do anymore than question the link between the VP's office and the no-bid contracts that the VP staff admitted that they were "co-ordinating". Find another example of any VP managing business for his former employer.

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Come on, Boca is a conservative but at least he could see that yelling out liar wasn't right. Joe himself admits this. The Dems are not barbarians but elected officials. Really your over the top rant is just more BS and it will not result in being moderates and independents back to the GOP.

The bill at the time only prevented the illegals from getting the subsidies but NOT from buying into the public option if they paid. Be honest. After the Wilson outburst more provisions were added to address illegal immigrants. These were necessary provisions. So while the outburst was wrong the end result was good; Illegal immigrants got thrown under the bus by the Dems!

that's the keyword. No need explaining that since you already know what that means.

Anyway smartass, explain all the rewriting of the bills if you can? If you can't take your parsing horseshit back to the barn.

what changed as a result of Wilson's asinine outburst?

So what, exactly, changed? You guys are calling the president a liar and you are saying that the proof is that the bill changed. I'm challenging you to show that there is any kind of meaningful change related to illegal immigrants.

I don't know why you continue to act so clueless. First you say 'you guys' and I'm NOT a conservative or member of the GOP. You should know that by now! Second I never called the president a liar. I don't care about that childish part of the Wilson outburst. All I said was that his outburst (which I said was wrong), did result in changes to the bill with regards to illegal immigrants. I listed one such change which is that if there is a public option illegals will NOT be able to buy into the plan. Another change is that anti-fraud provisions were added.

To me it is you that is trying to be dishonest by using the term 'meaningful'. As in; OK there were changes but they were not really meaningfull. Like a lot of the cons here all you care about is winning and proving you are in the right.

Like most voters I'm just glad illegal immigrants got shut out!

Listen, Halliburton happens to be one of the few companies that has a diverse porfolio of heavy industry, logistics, and so on.

It just so happened to be American, the others belonged to the Frogs, Red China, and the usual suspects.

Take your pick.

As for the stocks Cheney owned? He wasn't with the company, and I doubt he gave one shit what the company was doing with itself, ditto on operations.

Cheney was already wealthy enough, and with his health, any more wealth doesn't matter anyway.

Unless you don't want it going to his daughters?

His stock options he owned?? It was war, just a wee bit different than now.

Obama, and his buddies, are writing legislation, and conspiring to write more to steer money to sympathetic industries, while it is no secret Obama will simply bankrupt what I call "unsympathetic" industries out of business, via excessive taxation and regulation.

Just a teeny bit of difference between Halliburton and Dick Cheney's company shares the war, and Obama's ownership of GM Chrysler, banks and writing themselves checks on demand, his dealings with Jeffery Immelt, and other companies, Van Jones "Green Job Commissar", jacking up the CAFE standards.

The deliberate funneling of money to union contracts via the stimulus and other bills is another.

You name it. Cheney's stock options were innocent enough, and certainly not nefarious.

Oreobama on the other hand, and Chicago?

Uh, did you see the Olympics fiasco???????

I rest my case.

As for illegal immigrants?

Oh we should cover them; but send the bill to the Mexican government in full.

Or they can agree to pay for me to father about 15 children from 5 - 10 different women, and it all be covered by the Mexican government to offset the number of anchor babies they dump on us by proxy.

I only wants what is "fair and good".

How could they have bought into the public option under the previous bill? It is my understanding of the original language that the only complaint that Wilson had was that there was not a specific paragraph in the bill describing identification required to be covered.

Since you know the things that were changed, perhaps you could link to the parts of the bill that changed. I'd like to read that for myself.

Here is what the original bill said.

“Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”