This has been fomenting for some time, but it's going to be another major chink in the armor tomorrow when Hoffman wins in NY23. There is no Republican party any more; I don't know what the values of that party would be. There is a social conservative evangelical portion of the party, and a fiscally conservative portion of the party. There are no social liberals with conservative fiscal views accepted by the modern right. We are no longer a two-party nation, in my estimation. I wonder how the GOP will spin tomorrow's pyrrhic victory, while any power they still retain is diluted further, and looking ahead, when Democratic control is ultimately consolidated in 2010 and 2012. In just a few short years, the GOP has gone from pretending to be a big tent party to realizing it is actually a couple smaller tents, a teepee, and an ice-fishing cabin, and the inhabitants don't like or understand each other.

Limbaugh shows he is still a class act,NOT.

Democratic NY-23 candidate Bill Owens is jumping to the defense of Dede Scozzafava, his Republican former rival who dropped out of the race and endorsed him against Conservative Doug Hoffman, following an attack on her by Rush Limbaugh.

Limbaugh declared today that Scozzafava was "guilty of widespread bestiality. She has screwed every RINO in the country." Owens released this statement:

"This despicable attack on Assemblywoman Scozzafava offends me personally and exemplifies exactly what's wrong with Hoffman and his right wing backers. Assemblywoman Scozzafava is an honorable public servant who has served Upstate New York as an independent and principled leader who always prioritized the best interests of Upstate New York ahead of a partisan agenda. Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the right wing special interests that are running Hoffman's campaign can't even begin to compete with what she has accomplished over her career."

"Doug Hoffman and his supporters have sunk to a new low today. There is no excuse for this kind of shameful rhetoric and Doug Hoffman ought to denounce Limbaugh immediately."

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If you are a Republican, a cute, mean-spirited phrase is considered an intelligent political observation.

Whether it is Rush Limbaugh or Dennis Miller, meanness is the heart of the Republican Party.

Philadelphia Steve:

If you are a Republican, a cute, mean-spirited phrase is considered an intelligent political observation.

Whether it is Rush Limbaugh or Dennis Miller, meanness is the heart of the Republican Party.

It's not so much that they're trying to be mean, but that they're outraged all the time. After a while, constant outrage just comes off as pissy.

They don't just disagree with Obama or the Democrats, the Dems and Obama are, depending on who on the right you listen to; purposely destroying capitalism, purposely endangering the nation and it's security, purposely destroying democracy, purposely killing 'babies', purposely killing old people, purposely surrendering to anyone and everyone, everything they see the left do, they view as purposeful and orchestrated.

All outrage, all the time, no compromise, lest they compromise their morality and their very belief in God. And that's just unamerican.

This is why only 20% of registered voters will claim to be Republicans. That's dead last between the two major parties and independents. People can only stay outraged for so long. Well, most people. Apparently 1 in 5 can do it for much longer.

Erm, yeah but that 20% is REALLY loud.

They sound pissy because they continue to whine about stuff that most people just don't care about. The silliness about Obama's birth certificate, some college paper, Acorn, Wright and Ayers just doesn't have much to do with our lives.

We need jobs. We need health insurance reform. We need a focused effort to kill or capture the leadership of Al Qaeda.

None of those issues rate very highly among the RNC leadership.

They sound pissy because they continue to whine about stuff that most people just don't care about. The silliness about Obama's birth certificate, some college paper, Acorn, Wright and Ayers just doesn't have much to do with our lives.

We need jobs. We need health insurance reform. We need a focused effort to kill or capture the leadership of Al Qaeda.

None of those issues rate very highly among the RNC leadership.

The thing about the birth certificate, is that most ex modern Presidents have presented such documents before they ran for office, and is generally a matter of public record.

Truly, if there wasn't anything to hide you would have seen it by now. If this administration can claim to have rescued the economy from the brink, they certainly would brag about his original black and white long copy birth certificate if it was free from inconvenient truths.

Ayers, and Wright are true stories I'm afraid.

The stimulus was supposed to be about jobs. And it was way off the mark in that respect.

Based on the projected numbers from the politicians who pushed it.

And the Olympic bid was recently was even more proof of the complete inaccuracy of their projections.

I hear that the stimulus averages out to over 200 k $ per job.

Cash for clunkers?????

The federal government spent 24,000 dollars per car. How the hell did they do that?

Which is really amazing, considering the actual subsidy wasn't anywhere near that. Now big trucks had a similar program, and that 24,000 is more closer to the payment, but this new one, the pay out wasn't anywhere close.

As for Al Queda?

You wouldn't know what to do with it.

You people know you fucked up on the stimulus, and your blaming us because we had the good sense, say for a few exceptions voted against it.

Someone else wrote it, and your golden boy put his name to it. Unions benefitted, and other sympathetic industries.

I can tell you with certainty, the stimulus did not make a dent in the construction market around here, and I know, because I've been in the industry, and stay connected.

birth certificate? My brother-in-law was born in Honolulu. I have his certificate of live birth and it is identical to Obama's. The state of Hawaii has officially stated that his documents prove his citizenship. Get over it.

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I don't care about the olympics. I was in LA when they were there and it was a mess. The people of Chicago are lucky they didn't get it. The fact is that it didn't have anything at all to do with Obama. He tried to help and couldn't resurrect a messed up bid.

The stimulus was about 30% tax cuts. It was a lot of money to extend unemployment benefits. Of the remainder not even half of the money has been spent. Challenger & Gray said today that planned job cuts has gone down for the first time since early in 2008. Remember that it took over two years for Reagan's tax cuts to turn unemployment around. We have 9 months of Obama's administration and you guys are in a hurry to call it a failure. Sounds like a lot of whining and wishful thinking to me.

I don't know where you live, but there are projects all around Denver that are clearly labeled as part of the stimulus. My real estate agent brother in Fla has closed a couple of houses after no business for well over a year. A friend here in Denver is very busy selling homes after nothing since last November.

I know you are hoping that jobs don't improve because that would be good for the RNC, but could you try to evaluate the situation from the standpoint of being an American first?

I know you are hoping that jobs don't improve because that would be good for the RNC, but could you try to evaluate the situation from the standpoint of being an American first?

There is not a Republican in this country capable of doing that.

that is why there are only 20% left.