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Does I.M. know what happens to Government loans?
by teigan
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Does I.M. know that when a company files bankruptcy that that loan is written off, never to be repaid? In the case of CIT that amounts to 2.3 Billion down the drain.
What a great investment of tax dollars
by WorldlyMrB

You think that investment was bad, wait until USGov "Invests" in your health care.

You sure don't know much, for a BIG-TIME BUSNESS Neo-Skippy!
by Qtec90

teigan:
Does I.M. know that when a company files bankruptcy that that loan is written off, never to be repaid? In the case of CIT that amounts to 2.3 Billion down the drain.

*** And now, THE TRUTH about Chapter 11 ***

Debt is NOT "Written-off".... (Contrary to the Neo-Skippy Spin)

The chapter 11 plan<link>

Chapter 11 is reorganization, as opposed to liquidation. Debtors may "emerge" from a Chapter 11 bankruptcy within a few months or within several years, depending on the size and complexity of the bankruptcy. The Bankruptcy Code accomplishes this objective through the use of a bankruptcy plan. With some exceptions, the plan may be proposed by any party in interest.[3] Interested creditors then vote for a plan. Upon its confirmation, the plan becomes binding and identifies the treatment of debts and operations of the business for the duration of the plan.

Debtors in Chapter 11 have the exclusive right to propose a plan of reorganization for a period of time (in most cases 120 days). After that time has elapsed, creditors may also propose plans. Plans must satisfy a number of criteria in order to be "confirmed" by the bankruptcy court. Among other things, creditors must vote to approve the plan of reorganization. If a plan cannot be confirmed, the court may either convert the case to a liquidation under Chapter 7, or, if in the best interests of the creditors and the estate, the case may be dismissed resulting in a return to the status quo before bankruptcy. If the case is dismissed, creditors will look to non-bankruptcy law in order to satisfy their claims.

Re: Does I.M. know what happens to Government loans?
by FreddyJoe

You obviously don't, dumbass.

What administration made this loan? Do you even know that, dumbass?

Re: Does I.M. know what happens to Government loans?
by WorldlyMrB

That be your boy

REF: Obama's Dangerous Bank Bailout - WSJ.com

Feb 4, 2009 ... Restoring Citi and BofA to greatness shouldn't be the goal.

Team Obama is wrestling internally over the bank bailout supposedly to be introduced next week. We naturally are on the edge of our seats....

Re: You sure don't know much, for a BIG-TIME BUSNESS Neo-Ski
by teigan
Wrong dumb fuck. <link>
And WHAT ELSE would you expect from WSJ???...
by Qtec90
.... (After they were bought by Rupert Murdoch & Company?)

Their opinions have become somewhat less then garbage as far as holding any real value or meaning.... Big Business and Wall Street "Movers" have been ignoring them for over two years now. WSJ has become as much of a non-entity as Faux News over the past few months. They’re becoming the NewMax of the financial world.... Total trash and partisan rag-time.

One more solid proof that Rupert Murdoch can destroy the credibility of ANY reputable media he buys "single-handed"! ; No one who's serious about their investments bothers to look at WSJ any more except as possible material to cover the bottoms of their parrot's cage with.

Re: Does I.M. know what happens to Government loans?
by FreddyJoe

Another con dumbass raises his head.

You don't know the differerence between Citi and CIT Gruop. CIT group is the one who filed for bankruptcy, dumbass, not Citi. The loan in the form of stocks and other consideration was made to the CIT Group on 12/31/09, dumbass. So, which administration made this loan in question, dumbass?

Got another dumbass response, dumbass?

Wrong, dumb-fuck!!!
by Qtec90

Try looking-up "Chapter 11 LAW", dumb-ass!!!

If corporate Chapter 11 "Restructuring" FAILS, creditors can force LIQUIDATION and get their funds THAT WAY, dip-shit!!!

<link>

Debtors in Chapter 11 have the exclusive right to propose a plan of reorganization for a period of time (in most cases 120 days). After that time has elapsed, creditors may also propose plans. Plans must satisfy a number of criteria in order to be "confirmed" by the bankruptcy court. Among other things, creditors must vote to approve the plan of reorganization. If a plan cannot be confirmed, the court may either convert the case to a liquidation under Chapter 7, or, if in the best interests of the creditors and the estate, the case may be dismissed resulting in a return to the status quo before bankruptcy. If the case is dismissed, creditors will look to non-bankruptcy law in order to satisfy their claims.

As with other forms of bankruptcy, petitions filed under Chapter 11 invoke the automatic stay of § 362. The automatic stay requires all creditors to cease collection attempts, and makes post-petition debt collection void. Under some circumstances, creditors or the United States Trustee can ask the court to convert the case to a liquidation under Chapter 7, or to appoint a trustee to manage the debtor's business. The court will grant a motion to convert to Chapter 7 or appoint a trustee if either of these actions is in the best interest of all creditors. Sometimes a company will liquidate under Chapter 11, in which the pre-existing management may be able to help get a higher price for divisions or other assets than a Chapter 7 liquidation would be likely to achieve. Appointment of a trustee requires some wrongdoing or gross mismanagement on the part of existing management and is relatively rare.

Re: Before you continue to make an ass of yourself "read"
by teigan
"The filing marks the culmination of months of bargaining among CIT, its creditors and the federal government over the company’s fate. Bank regulators concluded over the summer that even though CIT was vital to many small businesses that needed financing, the company’s problems did not pose the type of systemic risk that led to the aggressive rescues of Citigroup and Bank of America. Even so, the bankruptcy filing means taxpayers will lose the $2.3 billion investment they made in CIT as part of the government’s sweeping financial rescue last fall, marking the first such loss of the bailout program." I provided the link, yet you still insist on pointing out your own ignorance. What a fool.
Before you REGURGITATE from "Dumb-Ass" Neo-Con journalists
by Qtec90

TRY READING THE LAWS regarding CHAPTER 11, .....DUMB-FUCK!!!

PROOF POSITIVE you can't read & understand "English".... (AND you are a under informed "Dumb-FUCK"!!!..... Again!!!)

The Chapter 11 plan

Chapter 11 is reorganization, as opposed to liquidation. Debtors may "emerge" from a Chapter 11 bankruptcy within a few months or within several years, depending on the size and complexity of the bankruptcy. The Bankruptcy Code accomplishes this objective through the use of a bankruptcy plan. With some exceptions, the plan may be proposed by any party in interest.[3] Interested creditors then vote for a plan. Upon its confirmation, the plan becomes binding and identifies the treatment of debts and operations of the business for the duration of the plan.

Debtors in Chapter 11 have the exclusive right to propose a plan of reorganization for a period of time (in most cases 120 days). After that time has elapsed, creditors may also propose plans. Plans must satisfy a number of criteria in order to be "confirmed" by the bankruptcy court. Among other things, creditors must vote to approve the plan of reorganization. If a plan cannot be confirmed, the court may either convert the case to a liquidation under Chapter 7, or, if in the best interests of the creditors and the estate, the case may be dismissed resulting in a return to the status quo before bankruptcy. If the case is dismissed, creditors will look to non-bankruptcy law in order to satisfy their claims.

Automatic stay

As with other forms of bankruptcy, petitions filed under Chapter 11 invoke the automatic stay of § 362. The automatic stay requires all creditors to cease collection attempts, and makes post-petition debt collection void. Under some circumstances, creditors or the United States Trustee can ask the court to convert the case to a liquidation under Chapter 7, or to appoint a trustee to manage the debtor's business. The court will grant a motion to convert to Chapter 7 or appoint a trustee if either of these actions is in the best interest of all creditors. Sometimes a company will liquidate under Chapter 11, in which the pre-existing management may be able to help get a higher price for divisions or other assets than a Chapter 7 liquidation would be likely to achieve. Appointment of a trustee requires some wrongdoing or gross mismanagement on the part of existing management and is relatively rare.

Executory contracts

Some contracts, known as executory contracts, may be rejected if canceling them would be financially favorable to the company and its creditors. Such contracts may include labor union contracts, supply or operating contracts (with both vendors and customers), and real estate leases. The standard feature of executory contracts is that each party to the contract has duties remaining under the contract. In the event of a rejection, the remaining parties to the contract become unsecured creditors of the debtor.

Priority

Chapter 11 follows the same priority scheme as other bankruptcy chapters. The priority structure is defined primarily by § 507 of the Bankruptcy Code (11 U.S.C. § 507.)

As a general rule secured creditors—creditors who have a security interest, or collateral, in the debtor's property—will be paid before unsecured creditors. Unsecured creditors' claims are prioritized by § 507. For instance the claims of suppliers of products or employees of a company may be paid before other unsecured creditors are paid. Each priority level must be paid in full before the next lowest priority level may receive payment.

Section 1110

Section 1110 (11 U.S.C. § 1110) generally provides a secured party with an interest in an aircraft the ability to take possession of the equipment within 60 days after a bankruptcy filing unless the airline cures all defaults. More specifically, the right of the lender to take possession of the secured equipment is not hampered by the automatic stay provisions of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.

Re: Before you REGURGITATE from "Dumb-Ass" Neo-Con journalis
by teigan
It matters not what the rules are dumb fuck, what matters is what deal was struck. Read you fucking moron, then you might not prove everyday what a fucking dimwit you are. Your mama shoulda drown the dumb ones and spared the world your ignorance.
Re: Does tiegan know what I was talking about Chrysler/GM
by I.M. Dunwith Contards
Dumbfuck! Who the hell was talking about CIT anyway?
Re: Does tiegan know what I was talking about Chrysler/GM
by teigan
What the hell is the difference? A company that cannot pay it's debts leaves loses. Loses that taxpayers have to pay as with the case of CIT. So tell me how GM is any different, are they going to repay their debt to the taxpayers? It really does not look promising.
TøøGøne = 'Under Informed DUMB-FUCK'....
by Qtec90

....with the "Reading Comprehension Skills" of a low-grade MORON!!!

BUT.... The under informed right-wing Neø-Skippys (TøøGone included, although they tried to kick her out several times because she doesn't even met THEIR minimum standards of intellect) STILL INSIST that right-wing speculations (made by jornalists the BECAME journalists because they weren't really even half bright enought to become lawyers) can WRIGHT "NEW LAW"!!!

Whatever "Deal" was struck, can NOT be outside the "LAW", dumb-fuck!!!

YET OTHER FEATURES of "Chapter 11 LAW", dip-shit =>

If the business's debts exceed its assets, the bankruptcy restructuring results in the company's owners being left with nothing; instead, the owners' rights and interests are ended and the company's creditors are left with ownership of the newly reorganized company.

All creditors are entitled to be heard by the court.The court is ultimately responsible for determining whether the proposed plan of reorganization complies with the bankruptcy law.

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