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um, solar hot water heating anyone?
by afcondon

i didn't see any mention of this in the article or comments - solar hot water heaters are much much more efficient than photovoltaics, lower-tech in general and in some climates can provide for all household hot water needs. Given the proportion of domestic energy use involved in heating water they should be a high priority. Even in colder climates they can still contribute significant savings.

(other mitigating strategies could include rainwater collection and reuse of shower water as graywater but these aren't generally as simple and clearcut as solar hot water heating).

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That depends on where you are, doesn't it?
by MessyONE
Somehow I don't see it being a huge success in...say Seattle in the winter...or Anchorage between the end of Septemer and the end of March.
True,
by Tundrayeti

But one thing that really would help the movement at large is if it concentrated on cost-effective solutions.

Solar-thermal water heating is actually cost justified for ~half the people in the U.S... The panels are essentially black painted aluminum sheets with copper pipes in a serpentine pattern flowing in metal-to-metal contact with the sheets. It's extremely low tech, which means that the panals cost very little compared to PV panals offering similar energy yield. So the water could be heated and pumped to a large water tank. Even if the tank needed further energy input to heat the water to the desired temperature or maintain the desired temperature, the panals would still reduce the energy needs of the house.

Of course the final system costs are not so very great of a savings vs. PV. Installing in an existing home means A LOT of plumbing work, as well as roofing work.

If solar thermal was pushed for new construction, it would be a cost-justified improvement for the house at large (due to the fact that the plumbers and roofers would already be working on the house anyway, and the house would be a skeleton for the plumbers to work with).

It wouldn't work for AK, but it would be cost effective for most people. This would be good for the environmental movement - telling people about choices that save them money makes you friends, especially if those choices require no sacrifices... and that would have a real chance. Environmentalists rarely support solar water heating, however... because it doesn't do as "much good" as PV... even though PV costs several times as much and could never be considered a competitive option as long as a location is on a grid (PV does make sense for extreme remote locations, since running power lines costs).

Re: um, solar hot water heating anyone?
by Willem
Much too complicated. I'm just sticking to a long hot shower, and enjoying every minute of it.
Re: That depends on where you are, doesn't it?
by Badbone
MessyONE:
Somehow I don't see it being a huge success in...say Seattle in the winter...or Anchorage between the end of Septemer and the end of March.


I think you’ve hit upon exactly why environmental alternatives have such a hard time catching on. For some reason, people got the idea that we need a magic bullet. One that works 100% of the time, in all climates, for all uses. That is cheaper than oil, contains more energy. Oh, and it should smell nice too.

We need to stop looking for the perfect solution, and start implementing some good solutions. The fact that solar water heating doesn’t work in an Alaskan winter in no way causes it to not work in other locations.

Solar water heating is just one, small example. The Japanese have been using it since WWII. They have winter there too. And yet, they didn’t let winter (or naysayers) stop them from trying it, and benefiting from it.
 
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