Contrary to what Weisberg evidently believes the Prohibition movement is not dead. In fact, the Prohibition Party is very much alive. For information concerning today's Prohibition Party go to www.prohibitionists.org But avoid the website prohibition.org it's maintained by a teeny-tiny group of party dissidents.

Likewise, it's a fantasy of the countercultural Left that gay marriage will become acceptable in this society. The principal function of marriage is to provide a healthy enviroment for the raising of children.

Of course, the only means by which queers and lesbians may obtain children is by fostering or adopting the children of straights. Or if scientic progess makes it possible to produce children in a test tube sans sex they might obtain children in that manner. In essence, gay marriage is a biological and social dead-end very much at odds with 8,000 years of human history.

In addition, AIDS serves to diminish the number and percentage of queers in our society.

According to the most recent polls the percentage of Americans who self-define themselves as conservative has increased from 37% at Obama's election to 40%, and the percentage of Americans who self-define themselves as Christian remains approximately 85% of the population and those folks are unlikely to permit a redefinition of the basic institution of marriage to suit the tiny percentage, about 1% and shrinking, of the poulace that is sexually bent.

If it helps you through the night. But the fact is that support for gay marriage is largely generational. As old farts with rigid minds such as yourself die off, gay marriage will become a reality:

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And 85% of blacks voted against gay marriage in CA last november. This will not hurt Obamacorn for blacks will vote for him in 2012 because of race no matter how bad he fucks up this economy. However some white senator out there pushing gay marriage (an oxymoron btw) will see some vote go to the more socially conserative candidate. ( either another dem or the gop canidate).

todji:

If it helps you through the night. But the fact is that support for gay marriage is largely generational. As old farts with rigid minds such as yourself die off, gay marriage will become a reality:

You obviously havn't spent any time in a highschool lately. It's the youth who don't have any tolerance.

You obviously have reading comprehension articles, or prefer to base your opinions on what you think you see rather than actual fact.

A CBS poll from last March found that "64 percent of voters aged 18-45 supported either gay marriage or civil unions, but only 45 percent of voters aged 65 and up did".

Here's another from CNN with prettymuch the same result:

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Gay marriage no ,civil unions yes . Do you support either gay marriage OR civil unions?

The point is that support for either is greater in younger generations than in older generations. Currently 44% of Americans support gay MARRIAGE- not civil unions. As older generations fade into history and its place is taken by younger generations, gay marriage will become a reality.

If current trends continue, the tipping point will be somewhere around 2020.

True. One of the biggest supporters of gay marriage......................­..............................­..................drum roll please........................­.........................divor­ce lawyers.

LoachDriver wrote, “AIDS serves to diminish the number and percentage of queers in our society.”

In 2007 there were about eight million gays in the United States and about 8,000 deaths of gay men from AIDS—about 1 in 1000. That’s not much of a diminishment.

In the same year there were about 300 million Americans and about 300,000 deaths from tobacco related causes—about 1 in 1000.

Many of the Christians LoachDriver mentioned belong to churches that perform gay marriages; some have gay ministers. Many of these Christians, and, ironically, most atheists, are too decent to call their fellow creatures “queers,” or to celebrate terrible illnesses visited on other children of God.

Bob

LoachDriver

"... the only means by which queers and lesbians may obtain children is by fostering or adopting the children of straights. ..."

The half dozen or so lesbians I know personally who attend our church all got their children the old fashioned way - they had coitus with a man.

The male homosexual couple did indeed have to foster and then adopt but the lesbians did not choose to do so.

Replying to todji...It seems every poll ever taken shows older people to be more conservative than younger ones. Apparently conservatives are made, not born. (Perhaps by the experience of a long life?)

businessanalyst:

Replying to todji...It seems every poll ever taken shows older people to be more conservative than younger ones. Apparently conservatives are made, not born. (Perhaps by the experience of a long life?)

What you're saying just isn't true:

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At times it may seem that way if an individuals beliefs remain the same as they age, but the rest of society has become more liberal.

businessanalyst:

Replying to todji...It seems every poll ever taken shows older people to be more conservative than younger ones. Apparently conservatives are made, not born. (Perhaps by the experience of a long life?)

That's a pretty silly conclusion to arrive at. The fact is that each generation has more socially liberal views that the one prior to it. In thirty years the older generations will have about the same view of gay marriage as the current older generations have about interracial marriage. They'll probably also be against some new liberal social issue (no doubt something like genetic body modification or something) that that future's young generation is in favor of.

It would be a sad thing to think that you're going to spend 70 or 80 years on this Earth and never learn something that would change your mind about anything. I know my opinions aren't the same as they were 40-45 years ago.

"Of course, the only means by which queers and lesbians may obtain children is by fostering or adopting the children of straights. Or if scientic progess makes it possible to produce children in a test tube sans sex they might obtain children in that manner. In essence, gay marriage is a biological and social dead-end very much at odds with 8,000 years of human history."

Gays have been around for all of history. About 2% of the human population has been gay - a rather stable share. Whether married or not gay people face the same biological "dead-end" as you rightly point out. However - they do not have to face a social dead-end. If either way they can not reproduce except through adoption or insemination (for lesbians), whether married or not, then why does it matter if we allow gays to have the same rights in a relationship that straight people have. Reproduction is in the interest of the state - more taxpayers - but banning/allowing gay marriage in no way affects that interest.