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Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by alicemarie
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Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's money bribe to stop fighting! I wonder if this will change the "No Rush' policy?

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Taliban leader rejects U.S. attempts to lure away fighters with money October 30, 2009 8:15 a.m. EDT

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- A top Taliban political leader delivered a message Friday to President Obama, calling his attempt to lure away Taliban fighters with money "an old weapon that has failed already."

"The Mujahedeen of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan are not mercenaries and employed gunmen like the armed men of the invaders and their surrogates," Mullah Brader Akhund said in the statement. "This war will come to an end when all invaders leave our country and an Islamic government based on the aspirations of our people is formed in the country."

Akhund is the deputy emir of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, which is the political arm of the Taliban.

He was referring to the Taliban reintegration provision, part of the $680 billion defense appropriation bill that Obama signed Wednesday to pay for military operations in the 2010 fiscal year.

The provision would separate local Taliban from their leaders, paying the fighters to quit the organization, replicating a program used to neutralize the insurgency against Americans in Iraq, according to the Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Akhund said 19th century British invaders and Soviet fighters in the 1980s tried the same tactic, unsuccessfully.

He said the Taliban consider the U.S. measure "a sign of weakness and complete despondency of the enemy."

Obama is considering whether to approve the request from his top commander, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, for as many as 40,000 additional troops in Afghanistan. The decision is being weighed against the backdrop of suddenly spiraling U.S. military fatalities. Fifty-six American troops have died in Afghanistan in October, the highest U.S. monthly toll since the war began eight years ago.

Obama meets Friday with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who will tell the U.S. leader how a large deployment to Afghanistan would affect the military.

Akhund warned Obama against maintaining a military presence in Afghanistan, saying it "will only deepen your economic crisis and will harm your international reputation."

"Pull all your forces out of our prideful country and put an end to the game of colonialization by shedding the blood of innocent Muslim people under the unjustified name of terrorism," he said.

The Taliban reintegration provision is part of the Commander's Emergency Response Program, which is now receiving $1.3 billion. CERP funding also is intended for humanitarian relief and reconstruction projects at commanders' discretion.

"Afghan leaders and our military say that local Taliban fighters are motivated largely by the need for a job or loyalty to the local leader who pays them and not by ideology or religious zeal," Levin said in a Senate floor speech on September 11. "They believe an effort to attract these fighters to the government's side could succeed, if they are offered security for themselves and their families, and if there is no penalty for previous activity against us."

While the plan has a "reasonable chance for some success," analyst Nicholas Schmidle said that it may not be a long-term solution.

"So long as the Americans are keenly aware of this, you're buying a very, very, very temporary allegiance," said Schmidle, an expert on the Afghanistan-Pakistan region for the nonpartisan New America Foundation. "If that's the foundation for moving forward, it's a shaky foundation."

Peter Bergen, CNN security analyst, said the idea of paying off Taliban members to quit is nothing new.

"There's been an amnesty program for low-level Taliban in place for many years now, and thousands of people have taken advantage of it," he said. "So this is not entirely a new idea. The idea of bribing people, local guys, to come over. ... It's one of the most cost-effective ways to get people to lay down their arms, either to negotiate a peace or coerce them."

McChrystal has backed the Taliban reintegration plan, saying that most are not ideologically or even politically motivated.

"Most of the fighters we see in Afghanistan are Afghans, some with [a] foreign cadre with them," he said in a July 28 Los Angeles Times interview. "Most are operating for pay; some are under a commander's charismatic leadership; some are frustrated with local leaders."

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Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by OldGaffer
I love to see how tickled you get when you perceive something going bad for this country.
Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by Reptilicus

OldGaffer:
I love to see how tickled you get when you perceive something going bad for this country.

Bad news for America...good news for Republicans/Right.

You really think they want the economy to improve or Afghanistan to work out...on Obama's watch???

"Millions unemployed and soldiers still dying in a foreign land....if that's what it takes to get us back into power! Cuz we sure as hell can't win on our 'solutions' anymore after 2003-2006."

Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by OldGaffer
I wonder how many American troops lives Alice would trade for a defeat of Obama in 2012? 50? 100? 1000?
Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by Reptilicus

OldGaffer:
I wonder how many American troops lives Alice would trade for a defeat of Obama in 2012? 50? 100? 1000?

Many as it takes. Her RELIGION is her political ideology (Dubya as Son, Reagan Father, Limbaugh is the Holy Host)....how many religious zealots throughout history were HAPPY to see others die if it meant the triumph of "the Righteous Truth"?

In her mind they would be "sad but necessary casualties to a war against liberalism. Tragic, but to grant them a single victory would be MORE devastating". Maybe not in that overt or conscious terms....but essentially that.

Same for the unemployed....happy to see Americans suffer "in the short term until we get a GOP President who'll fix the economy and return us to the Glory Days!"

Note: if she was slightly LESS chauvinistic (original definition)...I wouldn't make that charge.

Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by OldGaffer
Sadly, she is one of many that feel that way.
Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by middleview
Of course a top Taliban spokesman would say it won't work. Do you actually engage your brain at any time during one of your posts?
Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by alicemarie
Reptilicus:

OldGaffer:
I love to see how tickled you get when you perceive something going bad for this country.

Bad news for America...good news for Republicans/Right.

You really think they want the economy to improve or Afghanistan to work out...on Obama's watch???

"Millions unemployed and soldiers still dying in a foreign land....if that's what it takes to get us back into power! Cuz we sure as hell can't win on our 'solutions' anymore after 2003-2006."

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Don't get mad at me because Obama SUCKS!

Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by alicemarie

middleview:
Of course a top Taliban spokesman would say it won't work. Do you actually engage your brain at any time during one of your posts?

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Of Course?

Of course as in everyone should know it won't work... even Obama?

Tell Obama to engage his brain since he didn't, of course, know the top Taliban spokesman would say 'no!'

Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by alicemarie

OldGaffer:
I wonder how many American troops lives Alice would trade for a defeat of Obama in 2012? 50? 100? 1000?

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Since October is the DEADLIEST MONTH EVER and next week are elections of some important Governor races, maybe it is Obama who risks the lives of many American troops as he says, "NO RUSH!"

Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by middleview

1. This is a program that started while Bush was president. Did you read your own post?

2. Why does it matter what the Taliban spokesman says? He has also predicted that our staying in Afghanistan will fail.

Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by alicemarie
middleview wrote the following post at 10/30/2009 2:32 PM:

1. This is a program that started while Bush was president. Did you read your own post?

Haha, Obama is doing the same thing as the guy the Left says is an IDIOT?

2. Why does it matter what the Taliban spokesman says? He has also predicted that our staying in Afghanistan will fail.

It is FAILING!

Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by OldGaffer
Nuke em? Send in every troop in the Army, Marines and Air Force, maybe some sailors? What is the answer, the place sucks and so do the options.
Re: Taliban says 'NO' to Obama's cash bribe to stop fighting!
by middleview

Paying off enemy fighters started in the Anbar province in Iraq. It was started there by an Army colonel, not by Bush. The program was started in Afghanistan a couple of years ago. It is working.

The war in afghanistan is a mess. It is because of the fact that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld fucked it up. They invaded Afghanistan with 11,000 US soldiers. This is a country that is larger than Iraq. They bribed war lords to go after Bin Laden, instead of deploying our own troops. They ignored the request for reinforcements. They had committed so many troops to Iraq that we didn't have the forces to do the job in Afghanistan.

I realize that you think your job is to blame Obama for everything you can possibly think of, but has it hit you yet that things are getting better as he has the chance to formulate plans to address what Bush left behind? The long and short of it is, you are failing. You are not changing anyone's mind. You consistently fail to bring facts to the conversation and you rely on partisan bull shit in the hopes of seeing a republican victory. You are one of the 20% of voters who still stay with the republican party. Good luck. Eventually the RNC will be able to have the convention at your house.

what is your job
by jazzguitarman

I have read your post and you appear to be the type of Obama support that holds him responsible for nothing.

Yes, GWB was one of the worst President in US history and his 8 year admin a complete and total failure, but Obama should be held responsible for his actions even if those actions are requred to clean up the mess left to him.

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