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Huffy about Pelosi
by ckone
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This from the far left is telling. The big bad drug companys.

Re: Huffy about Pelosi
by religiouslib

good point ckone, hopefully this will be noticed and taken care of.

this why we need health care reform though, what if it was your wife, mother or daughter who couldn't get the drugs they needed because of the cost.

would you still be screaming about government run health care or begging for help.

be honest if you can

Re: Huffy about Pelosi
by henwy
Some of us try to plan ahead and not be stupid. If all else fails, there's something called medicaid. You just have to give up all your assets and poof, all the drugs you can swallow or inject. Hey, no one said choices were easy.
Re: Huffy about Pelosi
by religiouslib
again henwy, run of those hated government run programs that conservatives think should be eliminated.
Re: Huffy about Pelosi
by religiouslib

we all try to plan ahead, but 20000-30000 a month for drugs goes through you life savings pretty quick.

but then you are on social security and medicare while screaming about the government taking over health care.

Re: Huffy about Pelosi
by dude71
And where are all the future drugs going to come from? The very fact that we have drugs that can save all ya'lls sorry asses is a miracle. Expensive, very. That's a solvable problem without punishing the companies who research and make these thing. Maybe it would be better to go back to a time when we didn't have them? Then we'd all be "have nots".
Re: Huffy about Pelosi
by Youwantmymoneywhy

Good point. Drug coverage is a pretty major issue here for many reasons:

-Where will the line be drawn as to what kind of drugs get paid for. Mental health? Viagra? Pain killers for very long durations?

-How many drugs over the last 10 years have come out and then were recalled for either being grossly harmful due to side effects or simply not treating a problem very effectively. Once the taxpayers start paying for all these will there be any way to recoup money spent on defective drugs from the companies that produce them?

-Will medicinal marijuana be covered? If so CA may just reverse its recent populaton decline.

-Closely related, will the vacination process stay the same? It has been a huge bust this year with the H1N1 shots.

Just some random thoughts now that the WS game is over.

Re: Huffy about Pelosi
by Youwantmymoneywhy
Who on earth spends that kind of money on drugs and for what exactly (that kind of money brings to mind the Al Gore SNL skit from a few years back where he was talking about an old lady with 20 or so ailments)? If those kinds of costs are not limited by either allowing generics or price-capping brand name drugs then there will have to be rationing on a massive scale to contain them.
Re: Huffy about Pelosi
by vincent1963
The cost to buy isn't the cost to produce. There is no reason medicine should be so expensive. Almost pure profit. R&D should be Gov backed, and 10 % of every single papent should go straight into a universal, single payer health care system. Viagra alone would be able to cure cancer.
Re: Huffy about Pelosi
by tonydavisnelson

Vincent, take some entry-level finance courses and get back to us. Sure, the variable margin is high, but it's the net return on investment that matters. It takes years and hundreds of millions to get a drug to market. No company is going to put money into a drug if you're going to skim off all of the variable margin.

It's nonsense. Genentech wouldn't exist if we ran things your way. And the Gov't sucks at productizing R&D.

Re: Huffy about Pelosi
by crowe
Sometimes, certainly not always, drug companies are like cereal companies. They wheel out a "new" drug that does exactly the same thing as an old drug, and sometimes not as well, because they make more money on new drugs than old. Viagra - they discovered what it can do by accident. Not a lot of r and d there but the drug is terribly expensive. I agree that basic research should be paid by government at major universities or gov. labs.
Re: Huffy about Pelosi
by tonydavisnelson

A tiny fraction of drugs get repurposed in this manner and an even tinier fraction are blockbusters--so this windfall notion is a red-herring. Regardless, all of those drugs have to go through FDA trials to be labeled for the repurpose--a process which is not overnight or inexpensive.

You're correct that sometimes drug companies create new flavors or drug combinations and patent those--as with nexxium--but the original patent is still expired and a generic still available. If patients chose the new drug because it's one pill instead of two, the problem is not with the drug companies.

Re: wrong
by Ohka

there was lots of R&D in viagra. first off, it stared as medication for heart disease and when they discovered the other effects in trail (which already costs tons in man hours and supplies) they decided to use if for something else but it still needed to be optimized and perfected for that purpose... and then of course be ran through more clinical trials.

Reagents an lab equipment are very, very expensive. As a scientist myself I can tell you that even very small experiments that don't even result in anything useful cost 10s of thousands of dollars when you include these costs plus paying personnel and animal housing costs.

Also, as one that has worked on cancer, it is a misconception that money alone can cure something. Simply throwing money at cancer doesn't mean it will be cured any faster, the money has to be spent correctly and go to those researchers that have a good chance of success. Much of the grant money sent out by the NIH goes to labs doing research that will never cure cancer. In industry the motivation is profit so the funds go only to the projects that have the highest probability of actually working, it is focused, where as the NIH uses a shot gun effect. Personally, I think we need both, a healthy NIH budget and drug companies that research based on profit. They each have a role and we are weaker with the loss of either one.

ITs more common
by degsme

Its more common than you know. And PATIENTS aren't the ones choosing, MDs are. Often the original patented med had side effects that required other drugs to offset the sideeffects, and the new cocktail includes those so its net efficacy studies LOOK better.

Its a "cooking of the books" to be sure. But it does affect the cost.

As for Net Profits, you'd be surprised how much of the basic research for these meds is done by the NIH and other public funded organizations. Sorry I don't have much sympathy for the drug cos, particularly given their very high ROI numbers. Yes the investments they make are expensive. And????

Since when is
by degsme

ckone:

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This from the far left is telling. The big bad drug companys.

Since when is the HuffPost "far left"? It is solidly in the middle of the Dem party which is centrist leaning left.

Solid left is Mother Jones or The Nation or Democracy Now. (the opposit of Fox)

Far left are folks like the Green Party or Sea Shepard.

Try to at least be honest in your claims.

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