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If only the Soviet Union hadn't turned against Israel
by cassandra

Before the 1967 War, the left LOVED Israel, because it was the only socialist country that had ever worked and "Zionist" was an honored title. If the socialist Israelis had fought off the nomadic Arabs, it proved Marx was right all along. If you don't believe me, watch "Exodus" the next time it is on TV. It is wildly pro-Israeli and the script was written by a well-known leftist named Dalton Trumbo.

But then, alas! The Soviet Union decided that the Arabs were more useful allies and it turned against Israel on a dime. Naturally, the left had to follow suit. Now, they no longer seem to even realize that the Soviet Union no longer exists. It kind of makes me think that, despite its claims to being the heart of conscience and compassion, the left has neither one. But then, maybe we should have realized that from the Hitler-Stalin Pact.

Re: If only the Soviet Union hadn't turned against Israel
by gmat
That's OK, the same phenomenon gave us the Neocons, a bunch of whom were installed at Langley by Ford's Chief of Staff (remember who that was?), and they systematically exaggerated the Soviet threat for a decade or more. So it all evens out.
You're on to us!
by Cerulean_Mutt

You've cleverly ascertained that those of us on the left base our foreign policy positions solely on what the Soviet Union does.

And you've also ferretted out our cherished secret that all of us on the left, even those of us who are jewish, are against Israel.

You certainly are a clever monkey.

Cassandra had the whole world figured out
by bournite
As soon as she started listening to people who explained it all in a few soundbites. Unfortunately she knows nothing about the history of the Soviet Union, Israel, the US, the Cold War and, most likely, her own kin. People that resort to ideas like "leftist" or "rightwing" in debate are essentially hoping to smear opponents and avoid pesky details like specifically why the side their on is the right one.
Re: Cassandra had the whole world figured out
by Reptilicus

Same folks who believe "Reagan won the Cold War" and the rest of the Reagan Mythos.

Re: If only the Soviet Union hadn't turned against Israel
by Loki's Curse

Meanwhile, back on Earth.

Long live the Empire!

Re: If only Israel was a willing Scapegoat.
by flrdalyn

You should also add that the Marxists/Leftists also like to pretend that they have compassion for the "little guy", and the Muslim/Arabs gave them that with the poor mistreated fellow Arabs. What they don't want anyone to realize is that the poor mistreated Arabs are mistreated by their own brothers and sisters, so the Left can be spoon fed their "downtrodden" and show maps of the region with the big bad bully Israel looming large, and overpowering the weak mistreated Middle East.

They are also arrogant thinking that the original "two state solution" of Jordan and Israel went wrong because "they" weren't at the helm, and their new more better two state solution will finally solve the Arab/Muslim desire to wipe Israel and the Jewish People from the face of the earth, with a few token dhimmis left behind. After all what's the fun of being on top of the Temple Mount if there aren't a few inferiors to gaze up at you.

And then there are those, who in their hunger for power, know that the New Two State Solution won't solve anything except perhaps prolong the containment/appeasement of a region of the world that has a product they buy but will not longer accept gold, and now wants blood too. It seems the Left is willing to use Israel as a scapegoat as usual, since the chants of "Death to Israel" seems more comfortably farther away than the cry of "Death to Israel, Death to America", that rang loudly and distressingly close to their little kingdoms here.

Re: If only Israel was a willing Scapegoat.
by Reptilicus

Notice when you mention Israel suddenly those neo-cons who claimed they "love the Iraqi people" (Iraq War/occupation) or "love the Afghani people" (Afghanistan war) or "love the Iranian people" (protests of elections....

suddenly are "Arabs/Muslims are all evil" Islamophobes.

Which do you think is the REAL view of Islam by these guys and which the POSE they strike to promote a different agenda????

If you think this is a coherent treatment I suggest
by bournite

You submit it to a 9th grade teacher for review. Don't tell me you are a sophomore. Sorry but:

"And then there are those, who in their hunger for power, know that the New Two Sate Solution won''t solve anything except perhaps prolong the containment/appeasement of a region of the world that has a product they buy but will not longer accept gold, and now wants blood too."

Doesn't make any sense. This goes without even asking who "those" and "they" might be, regions don't "want" or "accept" things. Now I suppose I'll be relegated "leftist" due to your lack of capacity to express a meaningful idea. As far as world commodities exchanges are concerned oil is still obtainable from mid-eastern sources for various national currencies none of which are backed by gold. I'll go that far with you. Nobody could unravel your deranged, fragmented understanding of the Gaza, West Bank, Golan Heights controversies. You are not qualified to defend the Zionist position and would be laughed out of any discussion of the subject by Israeli citizens themselves.

Re: Teacher leve those kids alone.
by flrdalyn

Doesn't make any sense. Incomplete sentence.

This goes without even asking who "those" and "they" might be, regions don't "want" or "accept" things. Fragmented consider revising.

As far as world commodities exchanges are concerned oil is still obtainable from mid-eastern sources for various national currencies none of which are backed by gold. Yes, I said backed by blood. Knock. Knock. Is anyone home?

I'll go that far with you. No, you can't because you are spoon fed your thoughts, and go where your told.

Nobody could unravel your deranged, fragmented understanding of the Gaza, West Bank, Golan Heights controversies. Reassures reader that insanity accusation actually proves sanity. Thank you.

You are not qualified to defend the Zionist position and would be laughed out of any discussion of the subject by Israeli citizens themselves. Your not qualified to teach a first grader let alone opine about how Israel should react to Arabs who want to wipe them from the face of the earth.

Re: Teacher leve those kids alone.
by blueshift

" Reassures reader that insanity accusation actually proves sanity. Thank you."

Lol! Really. Glad my coworkers weren't paying attention.

It's a good thing emotions didn't get the best of you
by bournite
Now how about a lengthy exposition on the straits of Tirana as a cassus belli.
Re: It's a good thing emotions didn't get the best of you
by yudl
What does Albania have to do with anything? Or did you mean the naval blockade of Israel in 1967?
Re: All in all your just another brick in the wall.
by flrdalyn

bournite:
Now how about a lengthy exposition on the straits of Tirana as a cassus belli.

Correction: casus belli

No. I've done enough work for you Open up the port between your ears and let the free flow of information enter uninhibited.

Israel wasn't blockaded
by bournite
But the straits of Tirana in the Gulf of Aqaba were. Blockaded Israel would entail its West coast as well. Tirana is a city in Albania, google "straits of..." if youdon't believe me.
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