It has nothing to do with the past 7 years. It has something to do with the new Commander-in-Chief who proclaimed he had a new strategy in Mar 09, replaced the General with McCrystal and now is dithering.

We elected Obama for "change"----right? So where is the change? Oh, maybe change for the worst.

Why do people like Shumer and posters here keep on talking about the past 7 years? Obama clearly told us he wanted to focus on Afganistan in his campaign and won the support of American people on this basis. He called it a war of necessity and we agreed. He won the election. Don't you get it?

Bush focued on Iraq, delivered what he promised and we expected Obama to focus on Afganistan. We were snookered. We were cheated. Obama deceived the American people and Cheney is simply saying what all of us feel.

What a pile of nonsense!

" Bush focued on Iraq, delivered what he promised and we expected Obama to focus on Afganistan. We were snookered. We were cheated. Obama deceived the American people and Cheney is simply saying what all of us feel."

Let's start with the first phrase.

Bush delivered what he promised.

If you mean that he announced that he was going to attack a country that didn't attack us, and posed no threat. He did deliverer.

Of course, he had to abandon his war against the people who did attack us on 9/11 in order to do it, which is what he did.

And you wingnuts dutifully looked the other way as Bin Laden got away, and got mad any time the rest of us pointed it out, or noted that the Taliban and Al Quida were rebuilding. That wasn't part of the right wing fantasy narrative in 2003-2008, so you stuck your fingers in your ears and shut your eyes tight.

BTW, Bush promised us a quick war that would last "weeks, months, certainly not past Christmas (per Donald Rumsfeld), and that we would be greeted as liberators (Cheney) and with flowers and candy (Wolfowitz)., and that any suggestion that there might be post Sadaam tensions between Shia and Sunnis were "pop psychology (Kristol).

Yeah, he delivered on all of that too!!!! And it's only cost us a trillion dollars plus in unnecessary blood and (borrowed) treasure.

Now, the new Adminstration is preparing to decide what the mid term and long term strategy is going to be in Afghanistan.

And the people who promised us easy quick victory in the wrong country and instead buriied us in a seven year quagmire, are yelling that we should rush in with guns blazing and no plan once again.

It apparantly excaped the Vice President's notice that the government his administration installed in Kabul is widely regarded as illegitimate. He didn't even notice that his man tried to blatantly steal his own election.

No, Cheneyis demanding that we endorse this corrupt and unpopular regieme and commit ourselves to an open ended esculation the way we endorsed Tieu in 1965,.

Cheney was a first hand witness to how that turned out.

It remains to be seen weather Obama is going to endorse Gen McCrystal's plan.

I think he will. And I think McCrystal has presenteed a well considered and carefully thought out plan for the intermediate term.

But we cannot begin to execute this plan until after the Afgan runoff election.

Were we to do so, Hamid Kharzi would only engineer a stolen runoff election (there are aready signs of that) and leave us stuck in the position of having to endorse his corrupt government.

Cheney's prowess as a foreign policy genius has been on plain display over the last eight year.

The Bush era was one of teh most disasterous periods in the history of American foreign policy.

Why anyone would attach credibility to then man who was so consistantly and disasterously wrong over the last eight years is beyond me.

Well done, Tom.

...quite a few of us supported him DESPITE his position on Afghanistan, which we've always thought was misguided if not foolish.

Personally, I've been hoping he'd come to his senses, and there've at least been signs that he might be questioning his own approach to the problem.

Bush lied about Iraq, delivered a short-term military victory, then proceeded to screw up the occupation/nation building there for 6 years. No one "cheated us" more than Dumbya and crew. Obama hasn't approached that level of deception to date.

If Cheney's "saying what you feel," you'd better check your feelings more carefully. Or stop reacting based solely on feelings...

So - you didn't get what you expected when you voted for Obama? Cheney is saying what "all" of "us" feel? You elected Obama for change? What did you expect when you voted for Obama - higher taxes to support military adventures? I think Obama's doing the right thing. Maybe I just don't get it.

Bush delivered all-right -

He delivered us two quagmire wars

A ruined economy

Torture

Wiretapping

Secret Rendition prisons

He sure delivered didn't he you fascist shithead.

Hey, Majesko, I got news for you. Bush never delivered on what he promised, regarding Iraq. Unless someone found those dreaded WMDs and forgot to tell someone. We expected Bush to focus on Afghanistan, you know, and get Bin Laden, like he promised. But no, Bush left for other pastures and he dithered for 7 FUCKING YEARS!!!

Revisionist assholes.

I don't remember Bush promising to fuck up the economy nor to invade a country that wasn't a threat. If he had, would you have voted for the guy?