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Oral portion is a joke
by jerdp
Unlike the written portion of the exam, the oral portion of the exam is political and subjective. If we are going down this road, why not just have the mayor hand pick who gets promoted.
And you know the written portion
by degsme

And you know the written portion wasn't biased exactly how?

Re: And you know the written portion
by A Dude
And you know the written portion was biased?
The LAW puts the ONUS
by degsme

A Dude:
And you know the written portion was biased?

The LAW puts the ONUS on the NHFD to PROVE that it wasn't biased.

Re: The LAW puts the ONUS
by m37652s

degsme:

A Dude:
And you know the written portion was biased?

The LAW puts the ONUS on the NHFD to PROVE that it wasn't biased.

Wait... So by this definition, I can say you're biased against a group and unless you prove without a shadow of a doubt that you aren't, then I win the argument? Somehow, I'm not sure that's how the law works...

I have to SHOW
by degsme
m37652s:

degsme:

A Dude:
And you know the written portion was biased?

The LAW puts the ONUS on the NHFD to PROVE that it wasn't biased.

Wait... So by this definition, I can say you're biased against a group and unless you prove without a shadow of a doubt that you aren't, then I win the argument? Somehow, I'm not sure that's how the law works...

You are right. It doesn't work that way. I first have to show a Disparate Impact of that hiring practice.

So in the case of Hooters, I can show that they only hire women wait-staff. BUT since their business plan is one that uses big breasted women to attract male customers, then it is a "reasonable" business criteria. But using EXACTLY THE SAME criteria in hiring steno pool, would be a violation of Disparate Impact because you would not be able to show how being a large breasted female has anything to do with the ability to take stenography.

In this case, SCOTUS has ruled that Disparate Impact exists prima facia. But what they ruled in addition was that because no one had filed a law suit, NHFD had no "substantial basis" to believe that such a suit would be filed.

Now that one has been filed, it is up to NHFD to PROVE that the test is unbiased, OR to engage in some other means of settling the Disparate Impact.

Ricci was a dumb call on the part of SCOTUS

Re: And you know the written portion
by senbassador2

I would argue that the written test is the lessor of two evils. Sure, its not perfect, but at least its objective.

If the right answers to the test are A, C, D, B, B, A, D, B, C, then those are the answers. Whoever gets the highest number of questions right wins. End of story. You can't do that with an oral test, or even an essay test for that matter.

Lesser of which evils?
by degsme

How is an oral test, which is admittedly biased and for which BETTER ALTERNATIVES EXIST a "lesser of 'two' evils"?

If the right answers to the test are A, C, D, B, B, A, D, B, C, then those are the answers. Whoever gets the highest number of questions right wins. End of story. You can't do that with an oral test, or even an essay test for that matter.

But how does winning this sort of arbitrary test demonstrate your capabilities as a field commander?

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