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There is much to criticize--check the latest failure on H1N1
by gmajesko
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You would hope that the media would criticize the President, but they cover for this failure because they helped elect him.

Cheney is doing a job for many of us who feel that Obama has reneged on his "war of necessity" promise. Bush handed him the intelligence and a strategy and in March 09, he declared he had a "new" strategy and hired McCrystal to implement such.

Now we have an "emergency" declared by the President, because they failed to manage the timely delivery of the medicine for H1N1. Previously Obama visited the site of Katrina to excuse himself on his failure to deliver there, after being one of the leading criticizers of Bush for the same.

Obama meanwhile traveled to Copenhagen to humilate America as his choice Chicago was eliminated in the first round for an Olympic venue. At the same time the unemployment was increasing to 10% and he reiterated what he said in his campaign that it was the worst recession since the great depression, but forgot to mention that he had put the fix in in Jan 09 with the stimulus bill and promised us 8% max.

Cheney is in tune with Americans where polls show stongly disapprove outnumber strongly approve by 13%. All polls show significant drops in Obama's overall popularity rating - a record drop of 8% was recorded by the normally lib biased ABC/CNN poll.

Personally I thank former VP Cheney for doing the job that the mainstream press refuses. What ever happened to the Bernstein/Woodward jounalism which delved relentlessly into Nixon's every action and word. Jounalist were supposed to be the 4th branch of Government and now they are called "the state run media".

Re: There is much to criticize--check the latest failure on H1N1
by OldGaffer

I notice you didnt mention the republican party approval rating, lowest in a decade, 38% was it? With 54% disapproval? Whine on republican water carrier and general beatch.

you way overplay your hand
by jazzguitarman

You must be joking to say 'Cheney is in tune with Americans,,'.

Yes many Americans are disapointed in Washington and have been for many years now regardless of who is in power, thus the majority party will get high disapproval ratings.

But note that GOP membership is at an all time low of 20%. Thus the key here is will this dsapproval result in gains by the GOP in elections. None of the issues you listed, other than unemployment are really important to voters as it relates to how they would vote. Yes, Afghan is a big issue but most voters understand Dem or GOP, there are no easy outs there. Thus no party can get much traction on there. The olympics, nobel prize BS, Fox were much ado about nothing (note that I disagreed with the White House on all of these but BFD, they are non issues).

As it usually is the key will be the economy. If unemployment is still around 9% or so the Dems will take a hit in 2010 and could lose the majority in the House and their Senate numbers drop to around 54 or so.

But most Americans have little respect for Dickhead and like Rush and Beck he isn't helping the GOP. For the GOP to make gains they need Americans to look forward not backwards to the 8 years of the GWB admin. An admin most Americans felt was a complete failure and lead to the GOP defeats in 06 and 08.

Re: you way overplay your hand
by OldGaffer

Latest Obama numbers 54% approve, 38% disapprove

Argue with Gallup

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Re: you way overplay your hand
by jazzguitarman

The approval ratings for Congress are much lower. Again, there ratings don't mean much and unless the economy picks up for the middle class (so far all we really have see is the stock market go up), and unemplyment goes down to 6% or so, the approval ratings will continue to go down I believe.

Note that it is very difficult for a party to hold on to the type of majority the Dems have now even in good times and these are clearly NOT good times. Thus it is only logical to expect the Dems to lose some degree of power in the mid-term elections. This is a very common historical pattern.

Re: you way overplay your hand
by OldGaffer
The last time they didnt was 1934, I think. I doubt that the dems will do that well next year, but it is highly unlikely they lose control of the house,much less the senate. If the economy is getting "better" next year and unemployment is "dropping", even if just a little each month, expect the dems to do well. The repubs fondest hope is that unemployment keeps going up and the economy tanks, that is the only scenario that puts them back in power.
Re: you way overplay your hand
by jazzguitarman

As we both know unemployment trails the other indicators and that will be key to the 2010 election. As you noted if it starts to drop, even a little and the general impression is that it will continue to drop than the Dems will only lose a few seats and still be a majority.

But if it is still around 9 - 10 percent (10 percent being 2 digits is number that psychs people out), then the Dems will take a major hit in the House. It also depends on how Blue Dogs are treated by the Dem party. The public option is likely out because of Blue Dogs and if the National Dem party decides to punish them for this their seats could be taken away by a GOP moderate.

But I agree it is a long shot that the GOP would gain a majority in the House and zero that they could in the Senate.

Re: you way overplay your hand
by OldGaffer

The NY23 race is developing into a major story with Palin and Gingrich supporting different candidates, in fact this republican district may fall to the democrats because of the split. A minority party cant afford disunity and expect to regain power.

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The republicans have systematically banished their moderate base in the northeast and far west. They need to ask the Whigs how that worked out for them.

Dem Congress has a 67% disapproval rating (7 poll av)
by gmajesko

Seven polls - the average shows Obama has 57% who think the messaih is taking us in the wrong direction. Consider this: Bush who was selected not elected and was hated had better numbers until the very end when Dems took control of congress in 06. Dems recruit voters from under bridges and in flop houses to vote. Add that to the teachers and professors who never worked more than 180 days per year and you have he Dem base. Oh, I forgot the lunatics and wackos who think that fornacation on the big screen or on the street should be legalized as well as the narcs they snort. You must consider that the gap between rich and poor under Obama has increased, and that the gap between the private sector salary and public salary no longer exists.

Working Americans who pay taxes (which now are only about 55%) would be morons to vote for the Dems who have increased taxes in their states to make up for the pitance given by the Fed. Instead of laying off unproductive workers, the states, they kept them on the payroll and increased the taxes for the taxpayers. No jobs created here.

I can't see unemployment getting better than 8% by 2010. The porkulus bill creates no real jobs (I have had my shovel ready for 10 mo and see none). The porkulus paid back UAW, teachers, and public employees who help elect this community organizer to a position that he cannot adequately fill.

Re: Dem Congress has a 67% disapproval rating (7 poll av)
by OldGaffer
None of that gives a single vote to the republiklan.
Re: Dem Congress has a 67% disapproval rating (7 poll av)
by jazzguitarman

Well a majority of Americans were morons to re-elect GWB in 2004. Really after that first debate where it was clear the GWB was uninformed and unintelligent (really I mean it, it was like he had lost half his brain), I felt there was no way GWB would get re-elected, but hey he did.

I agree that so far the economy hasn't really improved for the average joe. Hey, I'm upper middle class and I'm making a killing in the market and I have a 150K year job that is very secure, but I know way to many unemployed people that are hurting. So there will be anger at the Dems if there isn't improvement but I don't know if that will mean they would vote for the GOP.

Most of these people still hate the GOP because of the Christian right.

Re: you way overplay your hand
by Mayzee7

Oh yeah, Gaffer...Nice link with the approval rating. His personal approval rating was right there next to the rosy economic outlook poll. Looks like people are recognizing his policies are right on pace to destroy the economy and the dollar along with it. Brilliant move...one of your better ones (ahem)...

Re: you way overplay your hand
by Mayzee7

The republicans have systematically banished their moderate base in the northeast and far west.

Really? Tax paying conservatives are leaving New England and California (the areas of the country where states are literally bankrupt) to the tax receiving deadbeat libs, and you think that's because they are not liked? Hell no...It's because they are too smart to stay, and no one else is left.

Re: you way overplay your hand
by OldGaffer
Gallup is Gallup, should I try to hide the poll numbers or lie about them? In any case the republican party is gaining nothing by the drop in Obamas popularity. Let me ask you this, if the repubs gain another 20% of the vote in the red states, how many more electoral votes does that give them? That is the only area that has a major drop in his popularity, it is still over 65% in the blue states that he won handily last year. If you think that your neo-con, religious zealot,dixiecrat, rump party of far right republicans can elect a Palin or a Huckabee, then you are more delusional than I thought. In fact the schism in your party is getting ready to cost you one of the last republican districts in New York.<shrug> Living in a delusional world has its advantages I guess, but I will leave it to you fringe folks.
Re: you way overplay your hand
by OldGaffer

"Really? Tax paying conservatives are leaving New England and California (the areas of the country where states are literally bankrupt) to the tax receiving deadbeat libs, and you think that's because they are not liked? Hell no...It's because they are too smart to stay, and no one else is left"

I hate to burst your bubble of ignorance, but here are the numbers, if you will notice, the red states are bleeding the government dry while being supported by the blue states..

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Red states feed at the public trough, feed provided by the blue states,lol.

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