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A Turning Point in the War on The First Amendment?
by Angel of Dearth
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Is that a spine--a backbone--I detect in the national press at large?

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Gatewood replied to the earlier post about the War on The First Amendment that he didn't have much faith in the non-Fox press coming around to see the light on this issue. I was going to reply back but this came up first.

This is beautiful! The five networks refuse to meet with Obama's pay czar unless Fox News is included. HA! Take that, Mr. President!

It's one thing to be a news network like CNN or MSNBC and called "lap dog" by Fox. It's another thing entirely to be a news network like CNN and patted on the head by the administration and told "that's a good little doggie!"

Beneath the worship, the adulation, the tarnished credibility, the "leg tingle" is the broken and beaten but still living idea that the press is supposed to be a watch dog on government not its lap dog.

Many people here and elsewhere have said there will come a time when the press turns on Obama, renounces him as Messiah, and tears his administration limb from limb. Perhaps that turning point is now.

The question we should ask ourselves now is, "What would Saul Alinsky do?" Let's take a peek at the play book:

1) Keep the isolation on. The administration ain't giving up yet. Right and wrong don't matter. Power matters. Tactics change (allowing Fox on this particular interview) but the goal doesn't. Watch for "isolation" to take on a new form. Creativity is important here.

2) Make a humorus jab at Fox. They'll love you if you can poke fun at your enemies. And Obama needs a little love right now.

3) Speak to the enemy outside their experience. This is the one to watch out for. What is "outside" Fox's experience? What can be used to knock Fox off its game? Again, creativity.

4) Speak to your supporters inside their experience. This is where the "good doggie" comment comes in. Emanuel, Axelrod, and Dunn sought to set up CNN as a "good example" of journalism. It was an attempt to speak "inside" the experience of CNN, MSNBC, NBC etc. but may have backfired. No worries. Tactics change. I'd expect from the administration a bit of "tough talk" to show the State Run Media that the administration is "one of 'em" [imagine a picture of Obama grinning with his arm around Jeffery Immelt or Ted Turner while shunning Rupert Murdock] The administration knows what it means to be a watch dog and in fact that's what he (Obama) is doing. He's being a watch dog. . .just like one of them. Get it?

So we'll see how it goes.

Re: A Turning Point in the War on The First Amendment?
by LaurieAnnM

That's Beautiful News!

I knew the American Press could not possibly condone what The Obama White House was doing and face themselves in the mirror as ethical journalists and keepers of The Rights of The Free Press to Information!

Great News.

Good for News Networks and Networks Bosses!

Thanks for posting this here.

Fox tells the truth?
by NickD

Are you suggesting that Faux does not have a right wing slant?

Faux does publish some news coverage within its propoganda so it should have the right to sit in on News Conferences with the president.

That said, our sitting president is not the recipient of "fair and balanced HAHAHAHA" coverage from that blowhole calling itself Fox News. Just as the GOP president simply quit answering questions from reporters he disliked, so too should the Democratic president ignore the reporters from that station. They can attend but they have no more right to be called on the man in the alley.

Fox has a right to be the jerkoffs they have been. And the president has a right like all other Americans to ignore the jerk offs.

Re: Fox tells the truth?
by LaurieAnnM

Duh, did you read her link,NickDuh?

The other five major networks disagree with Obama's White House on excluding FOX. Do you actually read ,at all?

Re: Fox tells the truth?
by LaurieAnnM

Here it again, NickDuh.

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R_E-A_D. The Networks are taking a stand against what Obama wants them to do..ie exclude FOX. Again Nickduh..The National Press is taking a stand against Obama's wishes to exclude Fox News.

R-E-A-D.

Ther fawning Obama News party may be drawing to a grateful close.

this is welcome news
by baltimore aureole

i was actually afraid the press would abandon the princples of free expression, and freedom to dissent without fear of censorship or other government interference.

kudos to the networks for quickly showing they have an understanding of america's principles - and an understanding of their own self interests.

Re: A Turning Point in the War on The First Amendment?
by JackDallas

I heard this earlier on the radio. It is truly amazing, isn't it?

I hope Obama is stupid enough to try and get even with them for their courage.

Jack

Isolation
by Angel of Dearth

This was alluded to up in the thread a bit:

During the Fox interview, the pay czar guy, or some other Obama flunky like Emanuel may just stone wall or give rambling nonsensical bull like Nixon tried to do with Frost (and Nixon was sooo much better at it than Obama and the newest flunky at Fox is sooo much better at interviews than Frost--I hope Megyn Kelly gets Obama in a room!).

Also, what if Fox is invited to a more open forum along with the five networks. What if some Obama flunky (or Obama himself) is taking questions--all kinds of questions--spanning an hour or more from everyone. Everyone except Fox. That's isolation.

And that is exactly something the administration would do. Being singled out for isolation among their collegues would also (finally!) send a chill through the rest of the networks. They'd look at the Fox guy and say, "Uh, oh."

This is what you get when you don't play ball with The One.

That would be the beginning of the end of the Obama administration.

What a stool you are.
by NickD

Read what I wrote. A direct quote from my post that, while written very simply, is still obviously too complex for you to understand.

"it should have the right to sit in on News Conferences with the president."

Thats what I wrote, so put your bottle back down and learn to read.

Oh and so it doesn't go over your drug addled brain again, "it" refers to Fox news.

Oh Stop, NickD. You sound like an hysteric
by LaurieAnnM

are you out of your mind tonight, or what?

Sorry silly trollin' one but some of us are too thrilled with the wonderful news about The National Press and The Networks standing in solidarity with FOX's right to be included that no matter how many grade school names you screech at me, (against the ROTR I might add) it won't change a thing.

My older brother has been a journalist all his life. That's how I knew and sensed for certain that The Rahm Emmanuel/ Obama White House had indeed gone too far in trying to do what they tried to do, by excluding FOX News and its access to WH information.

Now, how about you get over me, as I have asked you to do many times before?

I know that silly little thing that calls itself, appropriately: "dumb blonde' , is over on FW,attempting to raise the roof ,over my very tepid , but honest and frank reply to Schad's so called bad news day.

I was frank in noting that his veracity and sincerity has often been less than credible ,imho, and yet indeed, if he had suffered a loss, may his dear departed RIP.The Gizzards /Geezers are all off their nut over me ...again......go friggin' figure that.

It's too laugh at, as are you.

Move on, silly boy.

Move on.

~LAM

The adulation and leg humping
by justoffal

of Chris Matthews cannot be called fair and balanced either. So there is some fault on both sides of this divide. There's no doubt that Fox espouses right wing...specifically Republican ideology and for that they will sacrifice a certain segment of viewership but by the very same and very large token ( no pun intended ) ... MSNBC has been an obvious shill, so obvious that many of their faithful viewers have abandoned them as a tool for the Obama administration.

The natural inclination even among partisans is to reject something that is suspiciously without criticism because nothing is perfect....ergo we have the phrase " too good to be true "...

jo

Re: The adulation and leg humping
by NickD

I can agree there is partisanship in the media that cuts both ways.

What I cannot stomach, in a time where the very economic and social heart beat of America is threatening to go into mortal cardiac failure, Fox news has chosen to stir as much animosity and hatred within the populace as they can get away with. I am sure Obama has become exasperated with the over the top whining about every breath he takes, and probably no human being would be able to avoid it.

Obama must take care to not internalize this frontal attack by these anti American me first zealots. yes I call them anti American because of the overbearing zeal they enjoy while attacking the man trying to straighten up what even many republicans finally admit is the pathetic mess GWB made of this nation.

But it doesn't matter what Democrat is in office as Fox would simply attack that person with as much zeal or more, given the rights abject hatred of HRC the noise from Fox would most likely be twice as loud had she prevailed in her efforts. Fox's goal is to not report news, their goal is to overthrow a sitting president regardless the fallout on the nation . And I'll pee on that as hard as I can.

Yeah I know
by justoffal

I get the overwhelming feeling that six and sever figure journalists are far more interested in turf wars than in whether or not you and I can eat next week and that's what it's going to come to pretty soon.

jo

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