I am not afraid of the wingnuts who hate the President. As long as they keep yelling and screaming their obscenities we have little to fear because we know where they are. It is when they get sneaky, and do what the Birchers did in the '50s (send quiet memoes nad books in brown paper bags to each other) that we have to be a little more afraid. As long as they flay about and yell they have a spotlight on themselves. That is a good thing.

That we have been passing some quiet memos. I can't tell you what they say, or who they're being passed too or from, but they are quiet and they are memos. Be afraid, be very afraid.

Exactly how I felt during the Bush years. I wasn't too worried about the irrational leftwing nuts flailing about in the streets then and I'm not worried about the ringwing nuts flailing about in the streets now. Just ignorant hot air.

its like the market share at fox. average age of fox viewers is something like 67.

if you watched the crazed tea baggers in the townhall meetings who on one hand demanded no government run health care while also demanding no one touch their government run medicare.

they scream about taxes but obama has not raised taxes on anyone except smokers.

they say they want their country back when it was bush who bailed out the banks and cars, expanded medicare, deregulated the financial institutions, pushed for minority home ownership and expanded federal aid to education.

why weren't they in the streets and townhalls when bush was doing these things?

i don't have a good answer but its tied up in denial, racism and ignorance.

@religiouslib - lol, you are the most fail person on these boards. And that's saying something.

well first if you could express yourself in english i might be able to make sense of your post.

second, if you want to debate and discuss issues that is fine but a blanket statement that can't be understood and has no meaning is rather revealing.

Tax on smokers Not a Tax? Next years repeal not a tax? Health care taxes are in the air, not here yet you're right but how soon?

Obama bailed out banks , Woked and taught minority ripp off of the home pwnweship system . Bailed the car co.'s ( for the unions sake).

The race card no longer works. Youe lefttys have burned its meaning .

ckone:

Tax on smokers Not a Tax? Next years repeal not a tax? Health care taxes are in the air, not here yet you're right but how soon?

Obama bailed out banks , Woked and taught minority ripp off of the home pwnweship system . Bailed the car co.'s ( for the unions sake).

The race card no longer works. Youe lefttys have burned its meaning .

In other words, you didn't actually know it was GW Bush who pushed through TARP? Or that the economic collapse happened on his watch? (I bet you didn't even know 9/11 happened on his watch).

lets start with some facts ckone. bush bailed out the banks, here is the news article. The Bush administration's $700bn emergency bail-out for the banking industry finally became law today after a week of persuasion, negotiation and horse-trading prompted Congress to reverse its opposition to the plan. In a vote watched anxiously by traders on Wall Street, the House of Representatives backed the financial rescue plan by a comfortable margin of 263 to 171. The vote overturned Monday's shock result in which lawmakers opposed it 228 to 205. The bill, which allows the US treasury to clean up banks' balance sheets by purchasing distressed mortgage-backed securities, was signed by President Bush within hours of congressional approval. then bush bailed out the car industry. here is the news article. George W. Bush yesterday handed the fate of US car makers to president-elect Barack Obama as he announced plans to lend General Motors and Chrysler $17.4bn to survive the next three months.” an article in the Financial Times gives us an insight into the recently announced bailout plan for the US car makers GM and Chrysler. next if you read my post i said there was a tax on smokers. here is bush signing the american dream act in 2005 which allowed minorities to purchase homes they did not normally qualify for. There is a reason why many American families can't buy their first home - they can't afford the downpayment and other upfront closing costs required to qualify for a mortgage. For as many as 40,000 low-income families, that will change as President Bush today signed The American Dream Downpayment Act into law. Applauding Congress for authorizing the annual $200 million downpayment assistance program, Bush and Housing and Urban Development Acting Secretary Alphonso Jackson said the initiative will also help meet the Administration's "Homeownership Challenge" to increase minority homeownership by 5.5 million families by the end of the decade. "Today we are taking action to bring many thousands of Americans closer to the great goal of owning a home," said President Bush. "These funds will help American families achieve their goals, strengthen our communities, and our entire nation." "This is a good day for thousands of families who have only dreamed about sharing in the American Dream of homeownership," said Jackson. "Not only will this law allow thousands of hard-working Americans to unlock the door to homeownership, it will also help close the gap that separates minority households from the rest of the country when it comes to owning a home to call their own." as far as health care--so you are saying the teabaggers were protesting a tax that "might" happen? There is a reason why many American families can't buy their first home - they can't afford the downpayment and other upfront closing costs required to qualify for a mortgage. For as many as 40,000 low-income families, that will change as President Bush today signed The American Dream Downpayment Act into law. Applauding Congress for authorizing the annual $200 million downpayment assistance program, Bush and Housing and Urban Development Acting Secretary Alphonso Jackson said the initiative will also help meet the Administration's "Homeownership Challenge" to increase minority homeownership by 5.5 million families by the end of the decade. "Today we are taking action to bring many thousands of Americans closer to the great goal of owning a home," said President Bush. "These funds will help American families achieve their goals, strengthen our communities, and our entire nation." "This is a good day for thousands of families who have only dreamed about sharing in the American Dream of homeownership," said Jackson. "Not only will this law allow thousands of hard-working Americans to unlock the door to homeownership, it will also help close the gap that separates minority households from the rest of the country when it comes to owning a home to call their own." as far as healthcare, so the teabaggers like you are protesting a tax that "might" happen. but more importantly, i have yet to see one iota of evidence of that. now republicans in congress say if we tax health insurers they will increase premiums and that will be like a tax. again, that is a "might" and why are republicans lining up in support of insurance companies who come between me and my doctor.

Oh ckone, wake up. Sure Obama signed the bills that Bush pushed thru Congress to bail out the banks and auto industry, but to dent that Bush had anything to do with is lying. Why complain about taxing smokers, if they don't want to be taxed then they should quit smoking. My family has been raising tobacco in Kentucky for almost 180 years and they are doing just fine, what Americans don't buy gets shipped overseas at a nice profit. You do know don't you that the government also taxes other 'user paid" items, like alcohol, gasoline, and luxury boats and has been doing so for many. many years? So why bitch about it now? I agree that to say that the right's hatred of Obama is completely race based is absurd, but to say that it isn't a factor is just denial.

Religiouslib, you are correct, it was Bush's appointee Hank Paulson that initiated TARP, or "the bank bailout" as it is called west of the Hudson.

It isn't popular now, especially among those not-resistant to demagoguery, but in 20 years it will be considered Bush's finest hour. TARP (and the more nebulous Fed infusion) saved the country and the world from a complete vortiginous collapse of the financial system.

as much as i hate to admit it you may be right about bush.

its ironic that bush and obama stopped a complete financial collapse so severe that there would have been literally no money flowing. banks, atm's, businesses, government and the whole country would have gone under.

but because they saved us, some conservatives have now come to believe that it wasn't necessary.

yet almost every responsible economist from left to right agreed that was what was needed at the time.

now some conservatives have amnesia and want to return to the same policies that brought us to the edge of collapse.

You mean those harmless right wing militants who blow up government buildings, bomb abortion clinics and and olympic events, who ambush police officers and shoot up holocaust museums, and unitarian churches who listen to Rush, and Hannity, and Savage and Coulter "joking" about killing liberals, and probably some worse influences as well? Those are the harmless right wingers your talking about?

I'm sick and tired of the moral relatavists equating the discontent under possibly the single worst presidency of the last 50 years with the outright terrorism the right wing "fringe" (what is it now 30%? 40%? 80%? of conservatives).

Face it wing-nuts like guns because if they can't win an argument, and they can't win an election they will blow your brains out to secure what's "right"

That's basically what all this talk about "patriotism" and "freedom" is really about. They will kill you.

Hey, the guy who shot up the holocaust museum was what, 75? and that guy who assaulted someone at a town hall meeting and got his finger chomped for his trouble has got to have been at least 60. Sure, they may not be as physically powerful, but give a senile old bigot unafraid of dying a gun and see what happens.

Hey! Not ALL us senior citizens are batshit crazy.

...and I'm pretty sure I'm not senile either. Say, what's this dang suppository doin' in my ear? And, where the heck could my hearing aid be?